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Old 10-03-2012, 04:23 AM   #1
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Default wheel stud / lug nut stripped?

did a brake job on my 2008 3500 sprinter last week. 24,000 miles and the rear were 90% worn and front were 50%. roughly 9500# gvw all the time.

problem came when i went to torque the rear lugs. set to 140# and 1 lug tightened but wouldn't torque. so i attempted to remove it and all it did was spin

seems like the nut is stripped and so is the stud?

how would you remove this lug nut?

is the stud a bolt or a true stud on the 3500? the reason i ask is because while i was at the dealer today with my glow plug issue, i went to the parts counter to buy a new lug nut and stud. 20 minutes later looking up the part on the computer with the counter parts guy, neither was a stocked item. amazing that this dealer has well over 30 service bays and not 1 lug nut in stock

no problem the mercedes sprinter dealer is right next door. believe it or not, another stumped parts guy and 20 minutes later they found the part # and located 1 lug nut. that was all that's in stock. 1 lug nut total. the stud was not in stock, but appears as a bolt from the computer blow up this is the mercedes part # 461 401 00 71 is that correct?

can i just hammer it out or do i need to pull the hub? is it stripped or just rotating and need to apply some pressure?

any suggestions?

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Old 10-04-2012, 05:10 AM   #2
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Default Re: wheel stud / lug nut stripped?

nobody has an idea about the lug nut and stud?

is the stud just a bolt that's possibly spinning?

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Old 10-04-2012, 05:23 AM   #3
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Default Re: wheel stud / lug nut stripped?

rickola,
Were you able to remove the stripped nut?
The studs are pressed in from the back (a guess) but the studs are
much stronger material than the nuts (you have the nuts with the extended
washer right?) so I would suspect that the nut stripped.
Ever had your wheels rotated or tires changed by someone with an impact gun.
Truck tire places are the worst at this, as they have their impact guns set for
some ridiculous torque for the 8 and 12 lug wheels on big over the road trucks
ad dump trucks.
Chances are, if the nut stripped, someone used an air impact wrench on it at
some point and simply overtorqued it.
Check your hub and see if it looks like the stud can be replaced without removing
the hub from the rear axle housing.
If there's enough room, take the old nut and screw it on until it's flush with the
end of the stud.
Then try a big hammer on the end to drive the stud back out of the hub.
Removing the hub and using a press would be far safer and better.
Hope this helps,
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Default Re: wheel stud / lug nut stripped?

i'm not sure if it's a true stud/ threaded on both ends. or a spline bolt as the sprinter blow up looks like. i would have to either cut off the nut with a dremel, or try to wire weld another nut onto the back of the stripped one to try to unscrew with the 4 threads still protuding through the old nut. for now i installed a second 14 mm x 1.5 nut onto the 4 threads to keep it tight.

i might pull off the other side dual wheels to get a good look.

like i said, i tried to torque the wheels after the brake job and it just spun at 130-140 foot lbs. not sure why.

between the 1 mercedes and 1 dodge sprinter dealers, thay had a total of 1 lug nut and no wheel bolt/ stud in stock. amazing.

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Old 10-28-2012, 12:46 AM   #5
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Default Re: wheel stud / lug nut stripped?

finally had some time to address the stripped wheel stud. it's pressed into the flange and is pretty easy to remove once you remove the bolts holding the wheel flange in place.

problem is i can't find the stud. it's a 14mm x 80mm x 1.5 thread and the 2 deales i went to are useless. anyone have a part number or contact. in the mean time i am using a 14mm bolt with a ground down head to lock it into the flange.

lug nuts are easy to find online, but the stud for a 2008 3500 drw is not.

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Default Re: wheel stud / lug nut stripped?

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finally had some time to address the stripped wheel stud. it's pressed into the flange and is pretty easy to remove once you remove the bolts holding the wheel flange in place.

problem is i can't find the stud. it's a 14mm x 80mm x 1.5 thread and the 2 deales i went to are useless. anyone have a part number or contact. in the mean time i am using a 14mm bolt with a ground down head to lock it into the flange.

lug nuts are easy to find online, but the stud for a 2008 3500 drw is not.

rick.
Rick,

Please name the useless two dealerships. The forum needs to know.

As for the stud, I think it's A3199900005.

You may be able to verify the part number A3199900005 at www.sprinterparts.com using your VIN.

If that's right, you can buy it from anyone that stocks A3199900005.

Or you can call an MB or Freightliner dealership.

http://starparts.chrysler.com/home/MBChry.PDF says the Dodge part number is: 5134714AA

I've attached the http://epc.startekinfo.com (MB's electronic parts catalog) info, pictures and part numbers listed.

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Default Re: wheel stud / lug nut stripped?

thank you jon.

finally a real parts break down.

it's item # 83 in your pdf. a-461 401 00 71

i'll see if i can order it online.

as far as the 2 dealers both a dodge sprinter dealer and next door a mercedes sprinter dealer, neither one of them had a clue looking up the proper assembly on the computer. not to mention between the 2 of them a total of 1 lug nut.

thanks, again for the research.

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Default Re: wheel stud / lug nut stripped?

For whatever reason, the people you spoke with didn't put in any effort.

It took me 10 minutes to figure this out. The only time I've "worked" in the automotive industry was between age 9 and 18 - in my dad's front-end/alignment & brake shop - making mistake after mistake after mistake; my father and his two partners patiently repaired the damage I made. That no car owners lost their lives in an accident caused by my inability to turn a wrench is a miracle.

I hope you find the right part, at a good price, and can get on with your life.

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Default Re: wheel stud / lug nut stripped?

after countless phone calls and internet searches, i finally decided to modify a stock 14mm wheel bolt that was splined, but had excess meat and long enough threads.

the best i could find was a dealer in atlanta that wanted $13.00 for the bolt and $22.00 for shipping ups ground

so i went to pep boys for $2.49 and then took it to my buddies machine shop. in a matter of minutes i have a better than factory bolt.

what we determined was the factory bolt was not properly heat treated based on a file test. no need to break out the rockwell hardness tester when a file easily scored a 10.9 heat treated bolt. hard to imagine that 140 foot pounds would strip a 14mm bolt and lug nut. but if it's soft, it will.

amazing that others haven't had this issue and the bolt is almost impossible to find at the dealers.

rick.

i had to cut the old bolt off approx 1/4'' as it mushroomed as i hammered it out. total length is approx 80mm. no impact wrench. just a torque wrench was used to tighten the bolts.
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Default Re: wheel stud / lug nut stripped?

Did they use a grinding attachment with lathe to remove the spline or something simpler like a flat mill file with the lathe? The reason I ask is that in a pinch someone might use a drill press and file for the splines and carefully cut the flat on the head with a bench grinder.

The part number of the Pep Boys stud might help someone in the future. It should be on your receipt.

Great information. Thanks. vic

Edit: From the reply. Pep Boys part # is 98561.1
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