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Old 07-19-2011, 11:49 PM   #1
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2513 Intake Port Spiral Actuator??

2510 Boost PSI Regulator Control??

These codes are the latest, 2513 has occurred before and was reset.

2510 is a new code, or at least the first time that this van produced it.

Any ideas of what the problem(s) is/are?

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Old 07-20-2011, 01:21 AM   #2
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Hi fordfool,
What are you using to obtain these codes?
DAD Unit...... very good, the codes are pretty valid.
DRB-III........even better, the codes are very valid.
MB Star SDS system...... probably the best, but you need to be a dealer!
Dodge/Freightliner Diagnostics Systems.... nearly as good as the SDS!
Generic code readers.... the codes could be valid, and then again maybe not, but they
may point you in the right direction for bad sensors etc.
Generic code readers are:
Scan Gauge II
Dash DAQ
All the rest......!
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Hi fordfool,
What are you using to obtain these codes?
DAD Unit...... very good, the codes are pretty valid.
DRB-III........even better, the codes are very valid.
MB Star SDS system...... probably the best, but you need to be a dealer!
Dodge/Freightliner Diagnostics Systems.... nearly as good as the SDS!
Generic code readers.... the codes could be valid, and then again maybe not, but they
may point you in the right direction for bad sensors etc.
Generic code readers are:
Scan Gauge II
Dash DAQ
All the rest......!
Roger
Roger,

It was read by a Snap-On major unit by the guy that services our vehicles. He and his equipment has done a better job of repairing our Sprinter than the local dealers here. I take it the codes are bogus? Or do you know? I was right there when he got them off the press.
Yes, all the scanners, readers, been through them all on line. I do not own any, nor plan to purchase any in the near future. I am trying to make a living with this Sprinter while working out the bugs. Can/will you help?

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Since this is an NCV3 -area thread, the DAD would not be an appropriate scanner. It's T1N only.

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Hi Rich,
What year is your Sprinter?
'02-'06 T1N has different codes than the later '07-'11 NCV3?
I'll help if I can.
Eperiencing a major power outage here in So. MD at the moment, so give me
a little time to get the lights back on and I will check my NCV3 book.

According to the Freeman Crosby DTC trouble codes pages, I get something
different for P2510 and P 2513.
Roger
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For T1N '02-'06 I see the following on Freeman's list.
P2510-Boost Pressure Servo Motor Short To Ground
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P2510 ECM/PCM Power Relay Sensore Circuit Range/Perf

P2513 Event Data Recorder Request Circuit Low

Very different than the Snap-on machine codes your shop is giving you.
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Hi Dick,
Sorry didn't notice which forum this was on as I clicked on it in the
Sprinterbox up at the top!
Right you are on the different P code meanings and different scanners for
the T1N vs NCV3.
I was hoping we could nudge those who post about DTC P Codes to provide
more clarity on the year model (T1N vs NCV3) and what sort of scanner they
are using so we can provide information that's valid and applicable to their
vehicle when we offer to help.
If I have offended by asking this, I apologize!
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Hi Dick,
Sorry didn't notice which forum this was on as I clicked on it in the
Sprinterbox up at the top!
Right you are on the different P code meanings and different scanners for
the T1N vs NCV3.
I was hoping we could nudge those who post about DTC P Codes to provide
more clarity on the year model (T1N vs NCV3) and what sort of scanner they
are using so we can provide information that's valid and applicable to their
vehicle when we offer to help.
If I have offended by asking this, I apologize!
Roger
Roger,

It is a 2007 Dodge Sprinter 2500. I recently pulled the turbo actuator off and sent it off to be rebuilt/repaired. But I will also say that these codes may have come up from being started prior to the glow plug going out?? I had just made a delivery and was leaving, in a hurry, cranked it over and started before the glow plug light was out. As soon as it started it, the exhaust noise was different, a different tone. I shut it off and let it set a few, maybe 5 min. restarted it, continued on my way with everything acting normal with one exception. The ultra gauge read that the were some possible codes. When I got near home I ran by the shop to have Phil scan it and that is when and where and how the codes were discovered.
You haven't hurt my feelings at all. Surely someone knows what these mean or a direction to go, if there is a problem. The van drives fine, seems to have plenty of power, fair mpg, etc.

Thanks for your help,

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2513 Intake Port Spiral Actuator??

2510 Boost PSI Regulator Control??

These codes are the latest, 2513 has occurred before and was reset.

2510 is a new code, or at least the first time that this van produced it.

Any ideas of what the problem(s) is/are?

Rich
There is a fairly comprehensive list of DTCs which might coughed up by US/Canadian NCV3 Sprinters

http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7614

There's no diagnostic guidance to go with the codes - that's way too much work to put together in my dwindling spare time - just an explanation from the NCV3 (2007) Service Info


If the codes don't match yours, it's because many scan tools simply don't register the right integers; but often the "generic tools" get the description right.

Once the description is match to and a factory code and is written down, you can subscribe to www.techauthority.com's "Tech Authority Online" for guidance about remedial actions to take.

The online web app, "Techauthority Online" is very similar to the dealership computer system, DealerConnect, and (unlike the NCV3 service manuals, Techauthority Online has a search function so you can find info about a specific DTC.

Again, the first thing to do is to make sure you know the code for "Intake Port Spiral Actuator" and then look up what to do on Techauthority Online.

-Jon

PS: there is always a chance that the code reader is really reporting false info and the chance the that description won't match up to anything in the code list. At that point you really do need a factory scan tool like StarMOBILE (2007-2009), WiTECH (2007-2009) or MB SDS (2002-present); or perhaps a known good code reader like the AutoEnginuity product mentioned in another thread.
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Hi fordfool,
OK, here's what I find on your codes in the Eric Ord's
Complete Sprinter Fault Code Guide
Volume 2:2007-2010.

P2510 Sub Code 1 = Boost Pressure Regulator (Y77/1) Positioner Signal Fault

P2510 Sub Code 2= Boost Pressure Regulator (Y77/1) Positioner Signal Fault


P2513 Sub Code 1= EKAS Inlet Port Shutoff Switchover Valve (Y83) Positioner Signal Fault

P2513 Sub Code 2= EKAS Inlet Port Shutoff Switchover Valve (Y83) Positioner Signal Fault

Do you know if your mechanic's Snap-On Machine has a fault code book specific to NCV3
Sprinters?
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Hi fordfool,
OK, here's what I find on your codes in the Eric Ord's
Complete Sprinter Fault Code Guide
Volume 2:2007-2010.

P2510 Sub Code 1 = Boost Pressure Regulator (Y77/1) Positioner Signal Fault

P2510 Sub Code 2= Boost Pressure Regulator (Y77/1) Positioner Signal Fault


P2513 Sub Code 1= EKAS Inlet Port Shutoff Switchover Valve (Y83) Positioner Signal Fault

P2513 Sub Code 2= EKAS Inlet Port Shutoff Switchover Valve (Y83) Positioner Signal Fault

Do you know if your mechanic's Snap-On Machine has a fault code book specific to NCV3
Sprinters?
Roger


Roger,

No I dont know if he has a book of the codes or not. I will ask him tomorrow.

Thanks for the work that you have done.

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