I want the skinny on these two things - Sprinter-Forum

mackconsult · 03-29-2010, 07:01 PM

I put my van in N when coming to stop at lights. Just seems like the van runs smoother when not in D at lights. Is there a problem with this?

My van goes into limp mode still when on WVO, trying to figure out why. Noticed that you can shut the ignition off while moving, then back on and the engine comes on again with the limp mode clear. Is there something wrong with doing this?

Inquiring minds want to now????

Mrdi · 03-29-2010, 08:15 PM

If you shut the ignition off while underway and the steering locks out you could be in serious trouble.
In California it is against the law to turn it off underway.

mackconsult · 03-29-2010, 08:38 PM

This is true if you turn the key all the way, but I only turn it to ACC and then back to ignition.

I am just asking to find out about possibly damage, not legality.

BaywoodBill · 03-29-2010, 11:43 PM

Putting in neutral isn't the same as shutting it off. You can put it in neutral. It uses less fuel. It pisses off the people behind you who have to wait for you to shift into D. Possible sharp shock to tranny if you step on the gas and then shift.

mackconsult · 03-30-2010, 02:38 PM

It's almost second nature now. I coast to stop and pop it in neutral, then back in gear just as the light changes. It's all smooth in the van, and no one has got mad at me yet at a light change.

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Originally Posted by BaywoodBill

Putting in neutral isn't the same as shutting it off. You can put it in neutral. It uses less fuel. It pisses off the people behind you who have to wait for you to shift into D. Possible sharp shock to tranny if you step on the gas and then shift.

ECU · 03-30-2010, 03:15 PM

The manual says to only put in N for longer term stopping. Don't coast in N, that will screw the tranny.
My thought is the slight clug in and out of N would put additional wear on the tranny.
I would think that the WVO might be too thick. Changes the pressure in the lines or some such.
If your rig is smoother in N than stopped with D, you might have an issue. Possible clogged injector. Black death. Filters. Mine has no difference D/N. only the pushing aspects and idle, no additional vibrations.

david_42 · 03-30-2010, 05:07 PM

Do you heat the WVO to reduce the viscosity?

mackconsult · 03-31-2010, 02:14 PM

No, its none of that. The vibration I refer to from D to N is vibration in the truck itself. I am pretty sure its normal because its always been there even on the diesel side.

Shifting from N to D and back there is no clunking what so ever. Its very smooth. I think the manual says don't go from D to N for like maybe high way speeds and such. I put the truck in N from D just before it gets to a stop.

mackconsult · 03-31-2010, 02:14 PM

Yes, its a V3 frybrid kit.

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Originally Posted by david_42

Do you heat the WVO to reduce the viscosity?

GEARS · 04-01-2010, 11:58 AM

I notice the same thing and my Sprinter has a new engine with only 15k on it.

I notice the idle is just rough enough to make the pens and coins rattle in the doors sometimes but only when the van is cold and I attribute this to the viscosity of both the diesel fuel and the engine and transmission oils.

After the van has been fully warmed up it idles really smooth.

Personally I wish the idle was a titch higher.

03-29-2010, 07:01 PM	#1
mackconsult Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA, USA Posts: 1,349 Thanks: 285 Thanked 144 Times in 126 Posts	I want the skinny on these two things I put my van in N when coming to stop at lights. Just seems like the van runs smoother when not in D at lights. Is there a problem with this? My van goes into limp mode still when on WVO, trying to figure out why. Noticed that you can shut the ignition off while moving, then back on and the engine comes on again with the limp mode clear. Is there something wrong with doing this? Inquiring minds want to now???? __________________ 97 XR600R Honda Dual Sport Motorcycle 98 18' Avon RIB w/ 90 HP 4 stroke Yamaha 95 TDI Passat VW Wagon 05 2500 140" normal height sprinter van w/ veggie oil conversion kit 08 Laser Pro #194171 Vancouver, Washington, USA Sail Smart, Sail Hard, Then think about Sailing Fast !!!!! http://www.mackconsult.com/ Some day I will sell everything, buy a cascade 36 or a cal 40 sailboat, and turn left at the Columbia River Bar !!!!

03-29-2010, 08:15 PM	#2
Mrdi Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Surf City USA, CA Posts: 1,202 Thanks: 205 Thanked 180 Times in 145 Posts	Re: I want the skinny on these two things If you shut the ignition off while underway and the steering locks out you could be in serious trouble. In California it is against the law to turn it off underway. __________________ Mrdi 2008,2500, 144 Hi Cargo Surf City USA, Southern California

03-29-2010, 08:38 PM	#3
mackconsult Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA, USA Posts: 1,349 Thanks: 285 Thanked 144 Times in 126 Posts	Re: I want the skinny on these two things This is true if you turn the key all the way, but I only turn it to ACC and then back to ignition. I am just asking to find out about possibly damage, not legality. __________________ 97 XR600R Honda Dual Sport Motorcycle 98 18' Avon RIB w/ 90 HP 4 stroke Yamaha 95 TDI Passat VW Wagon 05 2500 140" normal height sprinter van w/ veggie oil conversion kit 08 Laser Pro #194171 Vancouver, Washington, USA Sail Smart, Sail Hard, Then think about Sailing Fast !!!!! http://www.mackconsult.com/ Some day I will sell everything, buy a cascade 36 or a cal 40 sailboat, and turn left at the Columbia River Bar !!!! Last edited by mackconsult; 03-30-2010 at 02:40 PM.

03-29-2010, 11:43 PM	#4
BaywoodBill pre-Yuppiedom Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,121 Thanks: 21 Thanked 42 Times in 35 Posts	Re: I want the skinny on these two things Putting in neutral isn't the same as shutting it off. You can put it in neutral. It uses less fuel. It pisses off the people behind you who have to wait for you to shift into D. Possible sharp shock to tranny if you step on the gas and then shift. __________________ Baywood Bill 2005 2500 cargo, long, tall

03-30-2010, 03:15 PM	#6
ECU Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hillsboro, OR Posts: 712 Thanks: 22 Thanked 115 Times in 94 Posts	Re: I want the skinny on these two things The manual says to only put in N for longer term stopping. Don't coast in N, that will screw the tranny. My thought is the slight clug in and out of N would put additional wear on the tranny. I would think that the WVO might be too thick. Changes the pressure in the lines or some such. If your rig is smoother in N than stopped with D, you might have an issue. Possible clogged injector. Black death. Filters. Mine has no difference D/N. only the pushing aspects and idle, no additional vibrations.

03-30-2010, 05:07 PM	#7
david_42 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 864 Thanks: 4 Thanked 117 Times in 106 Posts	Re: I want the skinny on these two things Do you heat the WVO to reduce the viscosity? __________________ 2004 140 SHC Greyhound, toy poodle and a big black mutt hauler

03-31-2010, 02:14 PM	#8
mackconsult Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA, USA Posts: 1,349 Thanks: 285 Thanked 144 Times in 126 Posts	Re: I want the skinny on these two things No, its none of that. The vibration I refer to from D to N is vibration in the truck itself. I am pretty sure its normal because its always been there even on the diesel side. Shifting from N to D and back there is no clunking what so ever. Its very smooth. I think the manual says don't go from D to N for like maybe high way speeds and such. I put the truck in N from D just before it gets to a stop. __________________ 97 XR600R Honda Dual Sport Motorcycle 98 18' Avon RIB w/ 90 HP 4 stroke Yamaha 95 TDI Passat VW Wagon 05 2500 140" normal height sprinter van w/ veggie oil conversion kit 08 Laser Pro #194171 Vancouver, Washington, USA Sail Smart, Sail Hard, Then think about Sailing Fast !!!!! http://www.mackconsult.com/ Some day I will sell everything, buy a cascade 36 or a cal 40 sailboat, and turn left at the Columbia River Bar !!!!

04-01-2010, 11:58 AM	#10
GEARS 2005 140WB standard roof Join Date: May 2009 Location: Kalabama Michigan Posts: 289 Thanks: 118 Thanked 48 Times in 34 Posts	Re: I want the skinny on these two things I notice the same thing and my Sprinter has a new engine with only 15k on it. I notice the idle is just rough enough to make the pens and coins rattle in the doors sometimes but only when the van is cold and I attribute this to the viscosity of both the diesel fuel and the engine and transmission oils. After the van has been fully warmed up it idles really smooth. Personally I wish the idle was a titch higher.

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