Mobil 1 on sale

[pvsprinter]

NAPA dealers have all Mobil1 oils on sale (at least in NY) for $5.79 qt. till the end of the month.

Bob

[icarus]

Originally Posted by pvsprinter

NAPA dealers have all Mobil1 oils on sale (at least in NY) for $5.79 qt. till the end of the month.

Bob

Make sure it is the proper spec. Only the Mobil 1 esp meets the MB spec 229.51. Regular Mobil 1 does not!

[KL2BE]

Originally Posted by icarus

Make sure it is the proper spec. Only the Mobil 1 esp meets the MB spec 229.51. Regular Mobil 1 does not!

True .
But if you have a TIN you only need 229.5 (or 228.3 of course) and several other Mobil 1 blends meet those specs; the only one available at NAPA that I know of is Mobil 1 European Car Formula 0W-40 which is 229.5. Just bought 10 quarts at our local NAPA on the noted sale.
Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 used to be identical to Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40 and both bore the MB 228.5 approval on their containers; now its missing from M-1 TDT containers and no one seems to know for sure whether it has been reformulated or if Mobil simply stopped paying MB for the rating (it is said that quite a few oils meet the MB 228.3 spec for T1Ns, but that costs are too high to be worth the relatively small MB market ). Chevron Delo 400 LE 15W-40 did and does meet the 228.31 spec, but the newest bottles on the shelves no longer carry the approval on the label (I say "does" because it's listed in the owners manual and on the older MB spec sheets).
Judging by postings on the "Bob is the Oil Guy" Forum, a number of folks are using M-1 TDT anyway if their MB is out of warranty.
When Mobil prints on the label of M1 TDT that "Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 is suitable for use with virtually all diesel-powered equipment of U.S., European and Japanese equipment builders, including both light-duty and heavy-duty applications", I suspect they are saying "it's great for Sprinters, but no one's paying". Of course, no one involved is to be trusted in this situation.

[jdcaples]

Originally Posted by KL2BE

True .
But if you have a TIN you only need 229.5 (or 228.3 of course) and several other Mobil 1 blends meet those specs; the only one available at NAPA that I know of is Mobil 1 European Car Formula 0W-40 which is 229.5.

I think that NCV3 owners need to be sensitive to the (less stringent) requirements of T1N owners and NCV3 owners need to clarify specifics that apply to the generations.

I also think it's polite for T1N owners - the majority of members - to acknowledge that NCV3s have different, more stringent concerns.

I think it's the right thing to do, for T1N owners to acknowledge that NCV3 owners are Sprinter owners with different requirements.

I believe firmly that that T1N and NCV3 owners need to respect - and explicitly state it - in the subject line.

It's not mandatory. This is not a scolding.

It's a request that all posters acknowledge of differences and the importance of different requirements; we're a community of Sprinter-owners/enthusiasts with different requirements; NCV3 owners have different requirements, and the details in terms of needs to explain that, but be clear: but we are all part of this community.

When we make sweeping generalizations in the subject line, such as "Mobile 1 on sale," I think it's divisive, not inclusive... and when placed in the "General" forums it's misleading to an NCV3 owner; but perfectly applicable to the majority.... unfortunately, it's misleading to a bewildered, inexperienced NCV3 owner.

This is just my humble opinion.

Both owners of T1Ns and NCV3s should always consider - when posting in Sprinter Talk - that the reader may own one or the the other.

As an aside, I am sick and f'ing tired of T1N owners that completely disregard how much information is posted which is T1N specific as if we NCV3 owners do not even f'ing exist.

We are all Sprinter-concerned members trying to do the best we can to maintain the vehicles we own.

T1N-specific info belongs in the T1N section of the forum. NCV3-specific concerns need to be posted in the NCV3 area. Topics that apply to both should be in Sprinter Talk.

If you disagree, start a d*mned thread for "an NCV3 Sprinter is not a real Sprinter" and I'll ignore it.

The specifics of generation-specific requirements need to be acknowledged so both T1N and NCV3 owners, always, understand the context and make an informed decision.

WE NCV3 OWNERS have different requirements, but we are SPRINTER OWNERS and we are SPRINTER-SOURCE MEMBERS. Everyone should respect that. If you disagree, tell me why an NCV3 is not a Sprinter. I'll listen.

That's my rant for the evening.



-Jon

[KL2BE]

I simply fail to see how any of the posts in this thread violate any of your comments (which are quite valid).
First, a sale was announced; OK by me. How is that not generation neutral? Should it have been posted to T1N General? Maybe Pvsprinter is not that well versed in the NAPA inventory, the complexity of MB spec sheets and the diferance between .3 and .5 and .31 and.51.
Then it was rightly pointed out by Icarus that NAPA does not seem to carry any Mobil 1 formulas the meet the 229.51 spec. True enough, but some might not know that the 229.51 spec is only required for NCV3s.
Then I clarified that T1N owners don't need 229.51 and that NAPA does carry a Mobil 1 formula (European Car Formula 0W-40) that meets the 229.5 spec. Seemed to me to be a service to T1N owners who might have thought there's no Mobil 1 at the NAPA sale that meets MB requirements for any Sprinter.
Finally I noted that M-1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 may or may not meet 228.5 (it used to) and that folks on the BITOG Forum think it's OK anyway (it's quite arguable that it meets MB 229.3 dated 7/29/10 ; see http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.3_en.html which lists "Mobil 1 5W-40" and "Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel 5W-40".
Who exactly is at fault here? And how? I'd nominate MB for their screwy and (my opinion) unnecessarily complex approval system. I'd like to see knowledgeable commentary on how the ACEA and SAE ratings are not adequate for MB engines when they serve US and Japanese manufacturers well enough. MB certainly cannot beat Yanmar for longevity...but that's another thread.

[david_42]

All well and good, but it doesn't seem to be on sale here. I paid $7.49/quart last week. On the other hand, the computer said I had another 100 miles before I needed a change ... at 16,200!

[gary 32]

Originally Posted by jdcaples

I think that NCV3 owners need to be sensitive to the (less stringent) requirements of T1N owners and NCV3 owners need to clarify specifics that apply to the generations.

That's my rant for the evening.

-Jon

As always very sensitive of you Jon.

My Rant: Please limit the number of total posts regarding motor oil to 10 billion. Thanks.

Seriously, the majority of posts on our forum regard motor oil. I am starting to think the voodoo and black magic fog of owning and maintaining a Sprinter has been removed....