European 2003 + headlight interchange [Archive]

Altered Sprinter

02-16-2007, 03:36 AM

It has a separate loom lead that should plug into the existing loom but you also need the activating switch, Half of Sprinters don't have them as its an option Some have only one active as to which side the vehicle is set up as RHD LHD some sections of Europe allow for one spot light beam others two of so that's a hard one to answer as too where you get the parts from, also warning you may be breaking US Lighting laws as this is a non direct beam its more of a side way view not so much long distance but you'll be flashed as to the high density light of ambiance it reflects at night especially in a non,lighted area. add bi oxen blue lighting to increase lighting further and you will blind a freight train with it. My old MB 100 had these blew the bulbs every month so double filament bulbs are suggested as to heat, also remember the class in the headlights are a high composite plastic they will go off white milky in color with too much heat.

frostback

02-16-2007, 04:00 AM

I know Rudi at sprinterusa has this headlight with xenons on his Sprinter. They are dazzling but I don't think any more than other xenons. It looks really sharp with the later style taillamps.

The Sprinter is the only vehicle in my driveway with DOT labeled lighting all others have H4s. They seem to have a euro pattern with a sharp cutoff not like typical DOT lighting. Euro light patterns are focused on the road much better than most DOT lights. I havn't looked but I think NA Sprinters have "city" lights like euro lamps as well.

:cheers:
Derek

georgetg

02-16-2007, 04:00 AM

Another case of using up old parts hanging around for US bound Sprinters.

I believe they are, and I am planning putten them in mine also.

I already did my taillights with the 2002 MOPF versions.
Got them from Teileguru on eBay Germany but it took forever.

My understanding is that for the Headlights you need to match the configuration you had originally.

If you didn't have integrated foglights from the factory, you cant (esily) add the new lights with integrated foglights.

My theory on the old stuff on US Sprinters is that they were introduced to the US in 2001 just before the new 2002 models came out.

Since they just got DOT approval for the front and rear lights they didn't want to spend the time/money to redo the process.
So DC felt no need to facelift the US model just introduced a year earlier.

Cheers
George

chaozz

02-16-2007, 04:57 AM

any links to where to get the head lamps

i got tail lamps from this guy
got in just 5 days..his shipping is high..would be cheaper if he would
ship both in same box.
Stock bulb holder works just change turn bulb to a 1156 amber
http://cgi.ebay.com/MERCEDES-DODGE-SPRINTER-REAR-LIGHT-LAMPS-1995-2006_W0QQitemZ250085047843QQihZ015QQcategoryZ36631 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

i tried to get them local now that i have the Boch part numbers but have run into many dead ends

sikwan

02-16-2007, 05:09 AM

any links to where to get the head lamps

I emailed this guy...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Sprinter-taillights-tail-lights_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33716QQihZ007QQi temZ170081846089QQrdZ1

...mid-year 2006 sometime asking about the clear front headlights and he said that he could get them, however, he didn't give me too many details and he wasn't helpful on which lights I was suppose to get at the website so I just put it off and decided to work on something else.

His site...

http://niko.li/#

...and the exact page for the lights...

http://217.149.222.43/niko/merchant.htm?id=1082965&step=2

All I know is what "links" and "rechts" is. :laughing: Other than that I was clueless to which lights were the right ones for me with foglights. :idunno:

Do I sense a group buy? :bounce:

Seek

chaozz

02-16-2007, 05:16 AM

I would think all the wiring for the fog lights is there,I know most
makers install the main harness and just use whats needed for that car.
maybe just a relay and a switch??

would love to change them out..
and most of the rickey racer shops here dont have much info

as for how legal they are ..i know at least in So Cal
should have no problem plus we dont have brake and lamp inspections
here.

i can post wiring diagram if anyone wants to look at it.

kkanuck

02-16-2007, 05:50 AM

Group Buy.....but we have to source it first.

I too need a set with foglights. I think there is an additional bulb socket on the foglight version.

chaozz

02-17-2007, 01:01 AM

here is the one on ebay its just a picutre from sprinterusa
he is not actually selling them..

http://i18.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/9a/75/85_12.JPG

kkanuck

02-17-2007, 01:50 AM

chaozz

02-17-2007, 02:12 AM

seems he uses same pic for fog and no fog
they look exactly the same to me..
i need to dig into mine see what wiring is there.

Altered Sprinter

02-17-2007, 02:27 AM

here is a right hand with no fog light for sale on ebay right now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/MERCEDES-BENZ-SPRINTER-HEADLIGHT-RH-NEW-2003-04_W0QQitemZ270059061329QQihZ017QQcategoryZ10398QQ rdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

here is a left hand with no fog light on sale on ebay right now

http://cgi.ebay.com/MERCEDES-BENZ-SPRINTER-HEADLIGHT-LH-NEW-2003-04_W0QQitemZ270059062384QQihZ017QQcategoryZ10398QQ rdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

here is a right hand with fog light available on ebay right now

http://cgi.ebay.com/MERCEDES-BENZ-SPRINTER-HEADLIGHT-FOG-RH-NEW-2003-04_W0QQitemZ270059060603QQihZ017QQcategoryZ10398QQ rdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

Here is a left hand with fog light on sale on ebay right now

http://cgi.ebay.com/MERCEDES-BENZ-SPRINTER-HEADLIGHT-FOG-LH-NEW-2003-04_W0QQitemZ270059057895QQihZ017QQcategoryZ10398QQ rdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

Rather then all interested buying individually, we should try to set up a group buy, find out how many of us are interested, here in the US, and get a better price from this guy accordingly in a larger quantity buy, and have the guy send all units in one box to one of us, and then ship to all parties from here within the US. This would save us all the most money on shipping as well as the product in hopefully a volume discount..... and spend the savings on other cool items for the Sprinter that will come up in the future as I am sure they will.
Good link for information those lights are selling for US 136.00 US Plus freight.
I'd do a little more investigation with them as to the glass in the photos are showing up a different glass reflection
both the non fog light and the fog light version indicate a diffused glass cover, there is a separate switch for the fog light as well , at the moment I have not checked in the manual if it's on the dash or integrated with the stalk with or with out cruise control.????
The light in question is clear not as the photo shows below it may be a reflection from within the light that has the same look of pattern at the bottom of the light within the headlight itself.
PS so for I have found no wire up for this light to plug and go, maybe wrong, but it appears to be a separate loom that will require more investigation.
Richard
The photo was snapped from the last eBay posts link of kknanuk1
Richard
Because I have not got them on mine either:censored:
My thoughts are the wireing is inside the lights itself which means the main loom is not an issue but the right switch would be required to activate the spot light.
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chaozz

02-17-2007, 02:39 AM

talked to Rudi about these
we dont want UK ones since they drive on right side
the beams will be differant he says.

kkanuck

02-17-2007, 02:41 AM

I saw mention of that in some of the other listings.

german version it is.

chaozz

02-17-2007, 02:45 AM

someone here said they where going to Mexico
that might be the best bet to get these cheap from MB
there.
I live about 15 mins from border but its not that safe ATM
there.

kkanuck

02-17-2007, 02:48 AM

Yeah, TJ is outa hand!

A Spanish understanding Sprinter owner could inquire via the net, but how do we find out what mexico carries?

Altered Sprinter

02-17-2007, 02:57 AM

Yeah, TJ is outa hand!

A Spanish understanding Sprinter owner could inquire via the net, but how do we find out what mexico carries?
Why don't you bing Johnny he speaks both German and English just he's not that far from the Spanish Fly either
Johnny's Toy (http://www.sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=600)
Richard

chaozz

02-17-2007, 03:02 AM

kkanuck

02-17-2007, 03:09 AM

If we can get an official MB part numbers, I can get a price through family in Hungary from a dealership, no connections.....unfortunately, but it is an option on the table..

Altered Sprinter

02-17-2007, 03:09 AM

i have a pretty good friend who lives in TJ ..just sent him a AIM
waiting to hear back
Rudy also said something about HDI on the bottom of the light
i think he was saying we need to change the bulb to something not
so Bright.
his accent is pretty thick..
super nice guy though..Props to Rudy for info:cheers: I did mention ambiance as to US lighting requirements if you want the MB part numbers I can get them on Monday if this is of any help if so I check out the wiring program and the switch plus the MB numbers if you need any other help let me know.
Richard

kkanuck

02-17-2007, 03:12 AM

Thank You Sir.....

Tibor

chaozz

02-17-2007, 03:56 AM

part number for fog and no fog would be
great thanks

Altered Sprinter

02-17-2007, 04:09 AM

part number for fog and no fog would be
great thanks
OK any thing else! apart from the switch system? Let me know to save two trips
Thanks Richard

chaozz

02-17-2007, 04:16 AM

the relay would be under the driver seat.
not the panel on the side
should be a long block of relays.Any one that does not
have fog lights ever looked into there dash where the fog lamp switch
is to see if the wires are there?
Ill try to do that this coming week
http://www.gotsinister.com/fog1.jpg

http://www.gotsinister.com/fog2.jpg
http://www.gotsinister.com/fog3.jpg

Altered Sprinter

02-17-2007, 04:34 AM

Hey Chaozz the bulb requirement is HI 55w
Look in your manual if you have the time page 292 front fog lamps found it on the front fuse panel under the column not in the box under the seat all that has is rear lamp warning buzzer and bulb book said drivers seat fog lamp rear front spot light on the column.this is a 100% German unit
Richard

chaozz

02-17-2007, 05:02 AM

if your talking about relay my book says seat
http://www.gotsinister.com/fog4.jpg

Altered Sprinter

02-17-2007, 05:15 AM

kkanuck

02-17-2007, 05:28 AM

I have a foglight switch on my dash, on the dash under the speedo. It was listed as an option on the window sticker.

Altered Sprinter

02-17-2007, 05:36 AM

I have a foglight switch on my dash, on the dash under the speedo. It was listed as an option on the window sticker.
My guess its for turning off the back fog lamp I have one on mine to activate or deactivate the rear lamp if I forget it keeps buzzing around after ignition is turned off or do we have another mystery ?
Richard

kkanuck

02-17-2007, 05:39 AM

You may be right, I will have to verify that, all I know it is a foglight switch, never thought about the rear as it is an option only found on German cars primarily here in North America, no domestics offer this.

chaozz

02-17-2007, 06:03 AM

Thank you my books the standard book that cames with warranty. I knew the wireing was there but all of the fuses are in the front section, at least we know they appear to be pre-wired. whats your opinion on the head lamp photo that shows the wiring program! would you agree to my thoughts that a separate loom is not required by assuming its a plug and go sort of thing after the switch is connected.
Richard

Correct all though. MB was never a specliaty of what i fixed for 20+
years.
but with most auto makers .the harness in the dash was the same on
every model.It was more cost effective to make one that works
on say 4 models of the same car than to make one for each.

I think the Euro headlamp should plug in with no probelms
"and hoping" after adding a relay and the switch it should work.

mine also has fuses on the side of the seat.
under the seat is the main connection box and the replays
i searched the book but did not find a picture of it.showing what
each relay was.

most american cars have the power center under the hood.
generally 3 or 4 60amp fuses and a bunch of relays
MB thinks you should remove the seat to see it ..hehe

Altered Sprinter

02-17-2007, 06:09 AM

You may be right, I will have to verify that, all I know it is a fog-light switch, never thought about the rear as it is an option only found on German cars primarily here in North America, no domestics offer this.
Ok I'm starting to work out how the U.S sprinter is configured.
The schematic of Chaooz showing switch for for lamp on the drivers side door on the dash board is for rear fog lamp, on the back of your van the tail lights on the rear opposite side of the drivers seat has four bulbs on the drives side you have three bulbs as the for lamp rear is for one only fog lamp.
Turn on your headlamps at full beam and hit the switch four lights on opposite side of the drivers side will be active the other side three only as there is a blank bulb space at the bottom of the last light.
turn off headlamps and pull ignition key out of the dark hole you cant find at night and it should start to give a buzzing sound.
I would assume depending on which state you live in , it may well be illegal in other states as to the non consistent standards the U.S has between all 50 states, Option I just figured all sprinters had that rear fog lamp which was why I said to Chaooz that the fuse panel under the seat is for the rear lamp only, but the wireing set up is there but the fuses to the the front panel are where the front headlights are activated from.
Why don't you check on it to see if its right, sounds like you just got the van or you don't go out after dark, or maybe they are not so important an issue, with me I only use them in winter.
Richard
Richard

Altered Sprinter

02-17-2007, 06:18 AM

Correct all though. MB was never a specliaty of what i fixed for 20+
years.
but with most auto makers .the harness in the dash was the same on
every model.It was more cost effective to make one that works
on say 4 models of the same car than to make one for each.

I think the Euro headlamp should plug in with no probelms
"and hoping" after adding a relay and the switch it should work.

mine also has fuses on the side of the seat.
under the seat is the main connection box and the replays
i searched the book but did not find a picture of it.showing what
each relay was.
Hello chazoo
I just replied with a thought to kknauck1 in reference to that switch its for the rear lamp on the picture your showing not the front. I still have not looked in my book to locate it for an automatic as of yet I have seen it, but I've been post whoring all day:lol: we will get to the bottom of this and I would say its just a switch with some bits and pieces, funny enough it was not an option for Sprinters down under Mercedes playing with tricks, OH! yes it is,as they are on the emergency Vehicles.
Which ever way I'll, find out Monday you will know late Sunday night your end or early Monday morning.PS I still have not received the back badge so some stirring will be with the dealer.
PSS I'll check out the book to locate the switch now.
:thumbup:Richard

chaozz

02-17-2007, 06:19 AM

anyone here have fog lights
maybe its part of the head lamp switch?

although in the states i have never heard of rear fog lights.
and owners book shows the switch on the dash as fog lights.

found picture i wanted
http://gotsinister.com/fog6.jpg

Altered Sprinter

02-17-2007, 06:21 AM

I'd call that one the other hell hole he,he, but true, what a pain to get into.
Richard

chaozz

02-17-2007, 06:25 AM

I'd call that one the other hell hole he,he, but true, what a pain to get into.
Richard

oh that's the fun..i love a adventure.

in the states you can not have white lights in the rear
except for back up lights.
If you told some here that they had rear fog lights they would
think you where joking:laughing:

sikwan

02-17-2007, 06:31 AM

I have foglights and the switch is on the left side of the steering wheel just below the gauge cluster. Same as what Chaozz has pictured.

From what I know I do NOT have rear foglights, but I would have to check. I'm pretty sure that I do not, because I played around with it at one point and decided that that was a mod that I would have to do by adding a wire to turn on the bottom red lamps.

When I drove in the UK, the Ford Focus that I had was a separate switch imbedded into the foglight toggle switch that controlled the rear fog.

Altered Sprinter

02-17-2007, 08:22 AM

oh that's the fun..i love a adventure.

in the states you can not have white lights in the rear
except for back up lights.
If you told some here that they had rear fog lights they would
think you where joking:laughing:

Hello Chaozz
They are not white its a bright red light on the top light lenses or on the AMBER light that the U.S Has, or with the latter tail lights from 2003, RED

In Europe there are extreme weather conditions where fog and or whiteouts from snow limit visibility to a few yards, in the most extreme cases, with the activation of a single rear fog lamp in either red or Amber, adds twice the candle power of a standard lamp, the light becomes more visible to traffic coming in from the rear, thus increasing visibility by up to three fold in distance, this can give under poor lighting and visibility type conditions, an advance warning to slow down, It's illegal in most countries to use the light under normal operating conditions as to possiable excessive glare, or one may think the vehicle is braking, as its a continuous light.
Front fog activation lighting used to be amber in either a colored amber lens or a clear lens with a amber colored bulb, in the last twenty or so years it has become a brighter more ambient light that is deflected from the drivers view of an approaching vehicle, again it's a low to dip lighting or turn off when another vehicle approaches as it's meant to assist driving in fog or white out conditions, where visibility is restricted to 10 to 15 meters.
Not such a dumb idea when I've seen multi vehicle pile ups by the hundreds on super hi-ways that has set off a chain reaction, where death and injury has occurred, which was preventable by the use of advance .lighting technology as an early warning system.

to give an impression of a rear fog light on a fogy night somewhere down under on a cold and blistery night,Here's another Sprinter
Doing the disco http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_5_138.gif by the dashboard lights and if you think thats 100% evil try the front door lights
Richard:tongue:
DSC00135 (Large) (4).jpg (http://www.sprinter-source.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1078&stc=1&d=1171703994)

Altered Sprinter

02-17-2007, 10:52 PM

Fog lamp switch for front fog lamps, is located on drivers side dash next to windows, the difference between the two , that being the switch for the optional rear fog lamp, which has an icon of a single beam on the said switch! Which also indicates activation within the lighting cluster on the instrument cluster.
Two front head lamp frog light is the same switch in the same location, the difference is the switch which has to be replaced with an icon that shows on the top section of the said optional switch shows two head lamp beams at the bottom of the same switch , also shows the rear fog lamp beam, three icons on the same switch.
This is a plug and go switch as the wireing appears to be hard fixed within the Mercedes Sprinter itself, The N/American Sprinter may have an alternative wire up program?.
Fog lamps
You can only switch on the fog lamps when the combination switch is in position in the center of the switch between the white icon of the top panel of the switch where the two beam indicators are and at the bottom of the switch which indicates the rear fog lamp, in the center which has a non icon marked in White , will activate a amber light in the center of the switch to show front lights [Fog Lamps] activehttp://www.sprinter-source.com/forum/images/icons/icon4.gif
The front fog lamps switch off automatically when the main beam head lamps are switched on.
To activate both front and rear Head-Lamps press the bottom lower single lamp icon marked white make sure you have Head-Lamps on low-Beam to activate.
To disengage fog lamps press the switch to the central position between the two icons , of the white markings on the switch, the yellow http://www.sprinter-source.com/forum/images/icons/icon4.gif indicator lamp in the instrument cluster goes out.
Yippee! problem solved the vehicle is hard wired to a retro fit as an option, so it's plug and go, but will it in the Dodge Sprinterhttp://www.sprinter-source.com/forum/images/icons/icon5.gif that's the million dollar question.
Richard

chaozz

02-17-2007, 10:55 PM

COOL
now just need the lamps :drool:

Altered Sprinter

02-17-2007, 11:01 PM

COOL
now just need the lamps :drool:

Just let me do my thing when I rock on into Mercedes to double check on part numbers etc, I'm not a 100% sure if I'm right that it is plug and go but maybe 99,9% right:laughing:
That was fun whats next on the amender gender bender scheme of things Dodge versus Mercedes .
Richard

kkanuck

02-18-2007, 01:59 AM

Okay, here it goes.....

I have the optional foglights, it was I think a $58.00 option give or take. The switch is on the left side of the steering wheel, on the dash. Immediately beside this switch to the right is the light leveler switch.

The foglight switch activates an additional bulb in my sealed beam front headlight, it is a rectangular shaped light, lying on its side, along the bottom edge of the light. This is the only light it turns on.

I cannot find a light switch for the rear foglight. Richard's foglight is his right one, due to right hand drive in Tasmania, over here in North America, it would be our left rear tail light. I have seen Audi's, Bmw's and Mercedes sedans with this brighter left tail light which is how it looks, brighter significantly on the left versus the right. Some folks over here do not even realize they have the option, and some drive around always with this annoying bright light shining in your face in a non foggy environment is hard on the eyes.....

I also wanted to pose the thought, that if Richard looks into part numbers of the newer style head lamps, I think he would only be able to see the same style as the UK due to the fact they both drive on the right side of the road?

Or am I missing something?

Tibor

Altered Sprinter

02-18-2007, 02:43 AM

Okay, here it goes.....

This is better than the twi-lite Zone:smilewink:..

I have the optional fog-lights, it was I think a $58.00 option give or take. The switch is on the left side of the steering wheel, on the dash. Immediately beside this switch to the right is the light leveler switch.

Yes this correct

The fog-light switch activates an additional bulb in my sealed beam front headlight, it is a rectangular shaped light, lying on its side, along the bottom edge of the light. This is the only light it turns on.
How many bulbs are there encased in the entire head light!
[A] There are four of, without fog-light.
[b] There are five of, Bulbs with fog- light
[C] Check how many filaments are on the head light bulb, that has low beam, there is only one single filament in the bulb.
I'll explain at the end of the thread.

I cannot find a light switch for the rear fog-light. The rear fog-light switch has an icon marked in white, it's a single light with a series of expanding lines to emphasis as if it's a light on, Richard's fog-light is his right one, due to right hand drive in Tasmania,The spot light rear is on the oppisite side of the driver, reason to stop direct glare into drivers eye who may be hind the leading vehicle in front, with a spot light on :thumbup: over here in North America, it would be our left rear tail light.I said that in the thread somewhere LHD and RHD I have seen Audi's, beamers and Mercedes sedans, with this brighter left tail light. 'Which is how it looks,' brighter significantly on the left versus the right. Some folks over here do not even realize they have the option, and some drive around always with this annoying bright light shining in your face in a non foggy environment is hard on the eyes.....:thinking: True it's a world-wide thing, called unincorporated morons .

I also wanted to pose the thought, that if Richard looks into part numbers of the newer style head lamps, I think he would only be able to see the same style as the UK due to the fact they both drive on the right side of the road?
I made a comment on this as to check how the glass is set up it has to be clear not defused.

Or am I missing something?
No you have almost got it, just a little clarification needed, again the fog switch that has both front and rear fog-lams has a total of three icons on it. as opposed to a rear fog lamp of one single icon.
Check the front low beam or maybe even the High beam it may contain a twin element, this will also work as a spot, or driving light, rather than a fog light, two different types of lighting??
[A] either it has four bulbs, without the fifth unit, then this is a standard lamp, if it has five bulbs then it contains the magic fog-lamp.
PS Tibor I'm having a little fun don't take any of my silly comments as personnel, but it is what makes a great thread, for all to enjoy.
Richard

Tibor.

kkanuck

02-18-2007, 03:25 AM

Altered Sprinter

02-18-2007, 03:48 AM

This has turned into a fun thread, I am enjoying, and learning at the same time. My feelings are not strained Richard, everythings Fair Dinkum!

I will check on the bulb quantity tomorrow hopefully, right now it is 0 celcius, and nightime.

Chaozz mentioned that RHD versus LHD, the front lamp lenses are angled different or something, is this not the case for these clear ones I posted in the initial thread pic?
Great
angle I'm not so sure about UK and Europe have different setups for LHD and RHD! Thats something you guys will have to work out, I will inquire at the dealership, but don't hold your breath on an answer.
I just checked the auto to see if there was a switch there, there is not, so the fog -light switch is on the dash driver side window, I made a mistake at to bulb reference to the rear bulb for the fog-lamp it should have been P 21 W the front rating for the Fog-lamp bulb is HI 55 W

So Soooooooooory you guys are doing it so tough with weather on the west side or east? lost my direction ion that one, it's the inconvenient truth of Global warming as its over 100 F down under with low humidity.
The QE2 sailed in last night into a fog bank and totally disappeared , turned out to be a huge thunder storm that caused havoc all over the place, having a full view with panoramic views of the Derwent , settled down to an older movie, watching the "The Day After Tomorrow" on HD wide screen TV and was it a freak show, between the thunder in the set and real-time stereo surround effects, with dazzling light shows as the lightning flashed from one end to the other, even the old girl started to freak. Thats what I call a great nights entertainment sort of a two way between reality and fiction.
You have a great night,
Richard

chaozz

02-18-2007, 03:03 PM

Ok got a hold of my buddy in Mexico and there is a dealer in TJ
if you can get part numbers Ill forward to him so he can get
prices and availability.

sikwan

02-18-2007, 03:23 PM

This is my take on researching the front and rear fog lights for past vehicles.

The front headlights dip to the side of the road depending on the country that it's in. Drive on the left, it dips to the left. Drive on the right, it dips to the right. The fog lights do not dip to one side or the other. We just need to be careful that we purchase the European versions, excluding UK, mainly because of the headlight set up.

On a side note...I've read that some people who have imported vehicles from the UK to the US had to convert their front headlights or have them partially taped up due to the light dipping to the wrong side; left side blinding incoming traffic.

Another side note...when I purchased a headlight only found in Europe, UK, Australia, New Zealand, etc. for my Yamaha motorcycle, I could only get it from one dealer who was in New Zealand. They drove on the left side (wrong side of the road :D) and I worried about it dipping left. As luck would have it, it did not dip to one side or the other and the part number was the same for New Zealand and Sweden. While this could possibly happen for Sprinter headlights, I highly doubt that it would.

On the Sprinter lights...the dip is caused either by the headlight lens (refracted) or the reflector. If it's refracted, the reflector is clear. If it's reflected, the refractor is clear. The refractor and reflectors are not uniform when looking at them straight on. Then there's projection styled headlights where you can't tell which way or if they dip until you disassemble them.

Lastly, on the rear fog lights. There's a standard that I found on a UK website about a couple years ago. I don't remember the entire spec, but I do remember some important details...

Rear Fog lights:
Minimum separation from brake lights: 4 inches
Maximum height from road: 4 feet (I don't remember this exactly)
Maximum wattage of bulb: 21W (similar to brake lights and what Richard had stated)

I have to go find that website...it's somewhere in webspace...:thinking:

Seek

kkanuck

02-18-2007, 11:55 PM

Seek,

Do you not think that the tasmanian part number would be the same as the UK, as they both are RHD countries?

And if so, that part number will not be correct.

sikwan

02-19-2007, 12:56 AM

Seek,

Do you not think that the tasmanian part number would be the same as the UK, as they both are RHD countries?

And if so, that part number will not be correct.

I really don't know if they will be the same, but you're more than likely right. If we do get the part number, at least we can compare it to the number from Europe (Germany), if we can get it.

chaozz

02-19-2007, 01:23 AM

if they drive on the same side as us should be ok

Altered Sprinter

02-19-2007, 02:16 AM

'In the days of our lives, the never ending saga continues"
I went to Mercedes this morning, it's never that simple, first off had a young guy who didn't have a clue! But managed to find Ray the senior parts adviser

First of Vin number to identify chassis number. at that point I said your wasting time as this Fog lamp is on the special options list for H/D units
So he needs to time to locate the parts, as there is no reference on Australian data banks for the part numbers,for a standard Australian Sprinter, however its because he does not know where to look on the interchange reference lists for part numbers, that have differences between geo-graphic locations and or of which of the three factory's the Sprinter came from, as each has different setup's in option configurations.
It appears because no one has ever asked for parts out side of what came standard with the sprinter Ray just had never heard of the interchange reference manuals.:crazy: and he's the top 'Parts Manager'.
So I took him out the back Knowing in advance there were six Sprinters in service all in H/D format. as I made a quick cell ph call to a mechanic I knew beforehand, sure enough they were there , one that was grounded to the floor a 2002 316 MWB unit was there. I showed him the lights and the switch to indicate the existence of the front fog-lamp set up.
The model was a 2002 Sprinter it had the headlight lenses that are opaque in design, this is in part because of the glass reflectors that are built into the design of this older head lamp , and also because of aging from UV lighting and over heating from the fog-lamp bulbs.
The older light has a different set up with globe configurations very hard to see behind the glass.
From 2003 onwards the glass is clear and the fog-lamp is in the blank section of the four bulbs that are on the non fog-light standard Sprinters, so there are two types as the eBay site mentions they fit all sprinters from 2000 to 2006 this is true ,but it is politically incorrect to install the 2000 to 2003 head lamp assembly from these years in the latter 2003 to 2006 models.
Interesting point I cant see any shift in lighting left to right on these head lamps they appear equal , this maybe a standardized lighting assembly for all countries as to the built in master head light switch that allows for raising or lowering the main head light towards the road from short distance to long distance also for adjustment depending on loads.
As soon as I have the part numbers I will post them, with a thought to Zack's comment where he bought some lights from NZ and couldn't see if there was really a difference in lighting, then maybe this explains why I cant see any difference in the lighting pattern these lights are not like the older ones that had a precise and different instant pattern for adjustment towards the side of the road to offset showing directly into an oncoming vehicle which could blind the driver momentarily .
I'll also photograph the switch as to make the part easy to visually identify.
Richard.

sikwan

02-19-2007, 02:31 AM

Thanks Richard! :clapping:

We appreciate your hard work! :thumbup:

I might just have to get into this buy because of all this hard work.

It's interesting that there's hazing on the older headlight lenses due to the sunlight. I thought our lights were made out of glass. I'll have to check now.

Seek

kkanuck

02-19-2007, 02:33 AM

I Second that.......

sorry about the complicated aspect of it....even the head parts man stumped...???

Cheers Richard,

Tibor

Altered Sprinter

02-19-2007, 02:53 AM

IT'S FINE i ENJOY IT SO IT IS NO TROUBLE, JUST GO AND TAP THAT GLASS HEADLAMP IT' HAS A DIFFERENT SOUND T0 IT THAN THE OLD GLASS UNITS
I'LL PHOTOGRAPH BOTH NEW AND OLD
RICHARD

georgetg

02-19-2007, 05:56 AM

2002 MOPF clear polycarbonate headlight assembly
German version:

Left side with Fog lights MB part number 901 820 2661
Right side with Fog lights MB part number 901 820 2761

Cheers
George

georgetg

02-19-2007, 05:58 AM

P.S.

I speak German, grew up there...

I'll try to get the ball rolling, but I have some company training coming up and I just got home from Palm Springs...

saw a cool silver 140 on I-10 with tone on tone flames on the hood...

Cheers
George

kkanuck

02-19-2007, 06:24 AM

George,

Many Thanks for the part numbers.......have you performed this mod on yours?

Altered Sprinter

02-19-2007, 06:36 AM

2002 MOPF clear polycarbonate headlight assembly
German version:

Left side with Fog lights MB part number 901 820 2661
Right side with Fog lights MB part number 901 820 2761

Cheers
George
Gee thanks George! Now what are we going to do for fun:tongue:
Richard

Altered Sprinter

02-19-2007, 06:39 AM

I Know we'll chase the 2003 one cause, that's another number in the scheme of the elusive numbers.
Richard

Altered Sprinter

02-19-2007, 06:44 AM

with back edited thought George when you can find the time could you also find out the number for the fog-lamp! 'Switch, and if there is a separate loom involved to connect it to!. Or if its a plug and go switch.
Thanks George
Richard
PS The thread continues.

georgetg

02-19-2007, 04:37 PM

sikwan

02-19-2007, 04:40 PM

Unfortunately the German electrical system is different from the US because of a legal requirement to turn off the foglights when the highbeams are used...

I thought that was true for vehicles in the US too?

Thanks for the information George. :thumbup:

Seek

georgetg

02-19-2007, 04:42 PM

I didn't know that...

hehehe

Cheers
George

kkanuck

02-19-2007, 08:20 PM

George,

Have you performed this headlamp upgrade yourself already?

Can you get this newer style headlight with Xenon and without, or only xenon?

Altered Sprinter, which style light is on your Sprinter, (not the new body style version)

I have a cousin in Hungary going into a MB salon in the next day or so, and he is looking into part numbers (with and without fog) and compatibility, and price. he is also looking into Steering wheel emblem as well.

I have asked him to see if we get say 10 pairs of headlights and emblems if there is a deal to be had.

Will keep you posted....

Tibor

Altered Sprinter

02-19-2007, 08:52 PM

the headlight style changed in 2002 when the sprinter was "facelifted".
MB calls that "Modellpflege" or MOPF for short.

There is no such thing as model year over there, just year of build, so that might explain why some people are referring to the 2002 MOPF as the "2003" model...

German light codes:

Headlight: Abblendlicht = H7
High beam: Fernlicht = H3
Fog light: Nebellicht = H7

Electrical schematics download (http://www.tsbasse.de/Sprinter/Plaene/Plaene.htm) lights are here (http://www.tsbasse.de/Sprinter/Plaene/Licht1.jpg)

Unfortunately the German electrical system is different from the US because of a legal requirement to turn off the foglights when the highbeams are used...

The German foglight switch is integrated with the standard lightswitch...
still looking
Cheers
George
above mentioned is correct as stated when on hi-beam the fog-lamp is disengaged, which is why there are two switches, the latter switch for the fog-lamp front activation along with rear fog-lamp,

I think :thinking:George will find out before I can get those numbers
richard:bounce:

Altered Sprinter

02-19-2007, 08:56 PM

Altered Sprinter

02-19-2007, 09:06 PM

the headlight style changed in 2002 when the sprinter was "facelifted".
MB calls that "Modellpflege" or MOPF for short.

There is no such thing as model year over there, just year of build, so that might explain why some people are referring to the 2002 MOPF as the "2003" model...

German light codes:

Headlight: Abblendlicht = H7
High beam: Fernlicht = H3
Fog light: Nebellicht = H7

Electrical schematics download (http://www.tsbasse.de/Sprinter/Plaene/Plaene.htm) lights are here (http://www.tsbasse.de/Sprinter/Plaene/Licht1.jpg)

Unfortunately the German electrical system is different from the US because of a legal requirement to turn off the foglights when the highbeams are used...

The German foglight switch is integrated with the standard lightswitch...
still looking

Cheers
George
George I'm getting just a little confused, with the German fog light is integrated with the standard light switch.
The switch for the fog lamp is separate from the main headlight multi type stalk thats on the column, My Van is an Austrian version Sprinter exported to Australia, Private export not an Australian configured Sprinter. made in Germany, so that switch is there on the dash panel drivers side.
Can you clarify where you meant where the switch is, my thoughts are there are two sets of wireing looms, that's not how Mercedes operates, it's a standard wireing plug and go set up/
Thanks Richard

kkanuck

02-19-2007, 09:11 PM

Richard,

Seeing as you have an Austrian Sprinter, are you driving a LHD in a RHD world down there?

Altered Sprinter

02-19-2007, 09:40 PM

I am on the right side of the road:smilewink: not the left thats wrong:laughing:
In Europe you can chose both left and right this is why my thoughts are the ambient lighting patten are not in a direct line of vision rather it's spread out left to right.
I may use the numbers George provided to give the sales folk a n indication as to part numbers , as there are two lights I'm guessing we need the ones after 2003
'll up date to-nite if I get any more info.
Richard

georgetg

02-19-2007, 09:52 PM

Now I'm getting confused , Model year is the 2005 this is the latter clear head-lamp type, not the older 2002 type which has a different glass and bulb set up.
Richard.

Richard,

US sprinters all years have glass lamps.
All Sprinters made after 2002 in Europe have the clear polycarbonate lamps.

All CDI Sprinters built after 2/2000 can be converted to clear polycarbonate lamps.

The part numbers mentioned here are for the clear polycarbonate lenses including foglights:

2002 MOPF clear polycarbonate headlight assembly
German version:

Left side with Fog lights MB part number 901 820 2661
Right side with Fog lights MB part number 901 820 2761

Mutiple commercial stores have them on eBay here (http://search.stores.ebay.de/Autotuning-Carparts-Online_sprinter_W0QQfciZ10QQfclZ4QQfsnZAutotuningQ 20CarpartsQ2dOnlineQQfsooZ2QQfsopZ2QQftsZ2QQsaselZ 17983829QQsofpZ0) here (http://search.stores.ebay.de/Autozubehor-Happy-Shop-Jonovic_sprinter_W0QQfciZ1QQfclZ3QQfsnZAutozubehQf 6rQ20HappyQ20ShopQ20JonovicQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftsZ2 QQsaselZ17193603QQsofpZ0) or here
(http://search.stores.ebay.de/Car-Competence-Center_sprinter_W0QQfciZ6QQfclZ3QQfsnZCarQ2dCompet enceQ2dCenterQQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3QQftsZ2QQsaselZ525609 94QQsofpZ0)

George,
Have you performed this headlamp upgrade yourself already?
Can you get this newer style headlight with Xenon and without, or only xenon?

Not yet, too many projects going on already ;-) only the rear lights...

There is no OEM xenon available on Sprinters pre NCV3 (2007 model new bodystyle)
There are a few guys that have cobbled together their own system...

George I'm getting just a little confused, with the German fog light is integrated with the standard light switch.
The switch for the fog lamp is separate from the main headlight multi type stalk thats on the column.
Can you clarify where you meant where the switch is, my thoughts are there are two sets of wireing looms, that's not how Mercedes operates, it's a standard wireing plug and go set up/
Thanks Richard

Richard sorry for any confusion.

I am not a Sprinter Expert.

I looked at several years of Sprinter posts on the german board and there seems to be a reoccuring problem with the foglights being broken. The fix is to replace the stalk...I guessed based on that that the foglights are in the stalk.

In Germany the foglights are typically three position:
A) off,
b) front foglights only
c) front foglights plus one rear

The US switch in my van is 2 position only on/off

here is a part number for a center off fog lamp switch:
MB 006-545-51-07
Dodge: 5120 484AA

looks like the top position is for front and rear, the bottom position for front only, maybe that's it

As for the wiring, maybe the wires are there, maybe not...
The wires for the towing hitch in the rear are not preinstalled and the "official" way to do it is insane, tearing apart the instrument panel, etc...

I have foglights and will at some time replace the glass ones with the polycarbonate...

If I didn't have foglight I'd just mount new ones in the bumper...

Cheers
George

Altered Sprinter

02-19-2007, 10:06 PM

HI George I think you solved the switch part number I'm about to go to work so I'll check to night
If you can answer this question
The fog lamp switch on the dash nearest to the drivers window has two icons of two headlights showing on with white stripes the center of the switch is off but it shows a light as well when active, at the bottom of the switch it has an icon of one only headlamp same as above.
Thats the switch that makes the whole thing work.
I;m thinking now when the stalk switch flicks down from main beam this disengages the fog light, so that makes sense as opposed to manually doing this, this must mean that that loom loops into the integrated system of plug and go.
Must Go Richard

chaozz

02-20-2007, 12:50 AM

the parts place i talked to today order from germany
when he gets back to me on the oil filter kit
ill ask him about these.

Altered Sprinter

02-20-2007, 02:53 AM

Richard,

US sprinters all years have glass lamps.
All Sprinters made after 2002 in Europe have the clear polycarbonate lamps.

All CDI Sprinters built after 2/2000 can be converted to clear polycarbonate lamps.

The part numbers mentioned here are for the clear polycarbonate lenses including foglights:

2002 MOPF clear polycarbonate headlight assembly
German version:

Left side with Fog lights MB part number 901 820 2661
Right side with Fog lights MB part number 901 820 2761

Mutiple commercial stores have them on eBay here (http://search.stores.ebay.de/Autotuning-Carparts-Online_sprinter_W0QQfciZ10QQfclZ4QQfsnZAutotuningQ 20CarpartsQ2dOnlineQQfsooZ2QQfsopZ2QQftsZ2QQsaselZ 17983829QQsofpZ0) here (http://search.stores.ebay.de/Autozubehor-Happy-Shop-Jonovic_sprinter_W0QQfciZ1QQfclZ3QQfsnZAutozubehQf 6rQ20HappyQ20ShopQ20JonovicQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftsZ2 QQsaselZ17193603QQsofpZ0) or here (http://search.stores.ebay.de/Car-Competence-Center_sprinter_W0QQfciZ6QQfclZ3QQfsnZCarQ2dCompet enceQ2dCenterQQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3QQftsZ2QQsaselZ525609 94QQsofpZ0)
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Ok I went in to Mercedes armed with the number George supplied
showed them how to cross reference to the exchange manual, from Mercedes main frame line up and BINGO the numbers came up! the first one did

Left H/side fog lamp MB part number 901 820 2661 is correct
R/Side....................................... 901 820 2671 does not show as the correct number
this may be for a non fog lamp light, it doesn't matter as you can order left or right we think the number should have been 901 820 262???
So thanks to George and his expertise in German we have the numbers.
================================================== =====================

Richard sorry for any confusion.

I am not a Sprinter Expert.
================================================== =====================
George none of us are experts in Sprinters as such, as Tibor sated we learn from the experience we gain from the threads of information this benefits every one.

I looked at several years of Sprinter posts on the german board and there seems to be a reoccuring problem with the foglights being broken. The fix is to replace the stalk...I guessed based on that that the foglights are in the stalk.

In Germany the foglights are typically three position:
A) off,
b) front foglights only
c) front foglights plus one rear

The US switch in my van is 2 position only on/off

here is a part number for a center off fog lamp switch:
MB 006-545-51-07
Dodge: 5120 484AA
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George The above number is correct for the single rear fog lamp lamp
it's the other one that has both icons as to what the number is on that one.
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looks like the top position is for front and rear, the bottom position for front only, maybe that's it

As for the wiring, maybe the wires are there, maybe not...
The wires for the towing hitch in the rear are not preinstalled and the "official" way to do it is insane, tearing apart the instrument panel, etc...
================================================== =====================
Australian Sprinters are the same as the European ones no problem with hitch wireing just plug in the loom

If I didn't have foglight I'd just mount new ones in the bumper...
================================================== =====================

You have a valid point as to the end cost of two complete head lamp assemblies with the fog lamp and a switch as well.

Cheers
George
Richard
PS how much do you think each light is worth from Mercedes> I'll wait on a reply of four answers from you guys before I rely as to cost.:smirk:

kkanuck

02-20-2007, 11:33 PM

chaozz

02-21-2007, 12:48 AM

my 2006 van head lamps are plastic.

Altered Sprinter

02-21-2007, 05:08 AM

Richard,

Do you think if I swapped out my single throw fog light switch that currently only controls the headlight encased front fog lights, for the double pole double throw switch that has rear fog on bottom part of switch the internal wire loom is ready to go, or is there another Extra Bulb that would be required?

Thanks,

Tibor
The double switch is plug and go as it is integrated via the column stalk
There are no extra wires on the switch as a septate lead so it's plug and Go
The MB part number for the double pole switch is MB 006 545 51 07 this is the correct number as it matches the interchange manual through Australia to Europe Mercedes head office online. Dodge moper parts references would do the same but it's not as easy as the Mercedes site has a different number sequence for the states but that's an internal ref/ number as to both Dodge and Freightliner, but I don't know how that works.
Richard
PS George has the right number for the same switch, including the Dodge number of 5120 484 AA

kkanuck

02-21-2007, 03:02 PM

Thanks Richard,

I will get this switch and see if I can get a rear fog light out of the deal!

Cheers,

hkpierce

02-21-2007, 04:05 PM

my 2006 van head lamps are plastic.

My 2002 van head lamps also are plastic. Must be some bad information floating around.

georgetg

02-21-2007, 07:00 PM

are they clear smooth and see through?
or do they have the ribs molded in on the inside that diffuse the light?

The big difference beween the two is appearance, not material.

I highly doubt they are the clear see-through type, but I could very well be wrong...

Cheers
George

Altered Sprinter

02-21-2007, 08:52 PM

are they clear smooth and see through?
or do they have the ribs molded in on the inside that diffuse the light?

On the older 2000-2002 models there are ribs molded inside to diffuse the light the ribs are vertical.

The big difference beween the two is appearance, not material.

I highly doubt they are the clear see-through type, but I could very well be wrong...
From 2003 the same light has a vertical line inside of the light to diffuse the fog-lamp but it's clear.
Cheers
George

I think where the differences between the two is in part that the older unit has no opaque glass front, but also it has changed in it's appearance due to heat from the bulb, and UV lighting changes from age,plus a sandblasted effect from driving into dust particles over time, being a plastic type unit it makes sense these will degrade earlier than a glass unit.
Richard
I just checked them again the older light is more diffused in color than the newer type which is clear but with similar vertical lines on the inside glass unit all are POLY CARBONATE NOT GENUINE GLASS.
Double thanks Richard

kkanuck

02-21-2007, 09:36 PM

Well,

I just got a reponse from Hungary, and they are $350.00 plus shipping for each of the new style headlights with the foglight option. This is way to expensive. This is from a dealers parts counter.

Have to find a more reasonable country. I think Germany will be the ticket, but have to find someone. I am weary of any from UK due to the RHD deal.

Will keep searching......others, if you have any ideas, please share.

Altered Sprinter

02-21-2007, 09:57 PM

unless you have access to wholesale pricing do not expect chap deals even Mercedes products at wholesale pricing is not cheap those lights are not a cheap item for the cost that's involved and knowing that there are issues with them , my thoughts are towards an alternative option of custom bumpers with integrated fog=lamp lighting.
Richard

georgetg

02-22-2007, 03:26 PM

you don't need the whole assembly with the motor...

the lamp assembly should be around 95Euros per light with foglights and 85Euros per light without...

Search ebay for Sprinter "Scheinwerfer" thats "headlight"

or click here (http://search.ebay.de/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=sprinter+scheinwerfer)for a premade search...

Cheers
George

hkpierce

02-22-2007, 04:32 PM

I think where the differences between the two is in part that the older unit has no opaque glass front, but also it has changed in it's appearance due to heat from the bulb, and UV lighting changes from age,plus a sandblasted effect from driving into dust particles over time, being a plastic type unit it makes sense these will degrade earlier than a glass unit.
Richard

This was my solution to the scratching and sandblasting problem.

Altered Sprinter

02-22-2007, 08:41 PM

sikwan

02-22-2007, 08:58 PM

Thanks HK Been there done that I chose the type that can be removed and re polished when needed as its the same composite as the headlight, works better no rock can get through both layers.
313 CDi (Large).jpg (http://www.sprinter-source.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1168&stc=1&d=1172180496):thumbup:

Hey Richard...so I can see the little handles for the light covers/protectors, but any reference to where you got them and whether someone can make a pair for themselves?

Thanks,
Seek

Altered Sprinter

02-22-2007, 09:06 PM

Hi Seek these are genuine Mercedes Parts , however I can take them off and show photos at different angles, a plastic manufacture can make them as to the bends involved, and the little small suction pads on the side, they act not so much as a suction type cup but as a shock absorber if impacted from a rock thrown from the rear of a leading vehicle.
Its the same with the front door wind protectors, ours are different as to the US ones, but more effective works great about town no air con is required.
Richard

sikwan

02-22-2007, 09:19 PM

these are genuine Mercedes Parts

In that case...part numbers Richard? :smilewink:

Sorry...and Thanks,
Seek

Altered Sprinter

02-22-2007, 09:37 PM

Yes OH Great Master, at your command:bow:
Signed your humble servant
Richard

sikwan

02-22-2007, 09:50 PM

Yes OH Great Master, at your command:bow:
Signed your humble servant
Richard

:tongue:

Altered Sprinter

02-22-2007, 09:54 PM

:tongue:

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cus/e_1_45.gif

georgetg

02-23-2007, 04:48 PM

Ok working on it...

Preliminary pricing for a set of two shipped UPS from Germany looks like about $300-$350 (that's the new style clear left and right headlight including the fog lights)

The Euro vs. USD exchange rate is brutal...

Cheers
George

Altered Sprinter

02-23-2007, 09:35 PM

Thats what I figured, you'll need those covers the protect the lights
have numbers and photos after today.
Richard

georgetg

02-23-2007, 09:42 PM

just making sure there Richard,

I'm talking about a set of new style clear headlights spipped UPS insured to the US from Germany.

The 300-350 price is not for the guards you have on yours...

Cheers
George

Altered Sprinter

02-23-2007, 09:59 PM

George who would pay 350 for clear Light protectors?
I know what you meant
I'll be in town tomorrow I think I'll take a photo of the fog lamps so you at least know what they look like
Richard:thumbup:

georgetg

02-23-2007, 10:10 PM

for anybody unsure about this, here's what they look like

on top (or left):
old style "glass" non clear version without fog lights

on bottom (or right):
new style clear lights with fog lights

Cheers
George

Altered Sprinter

02-23-2007, 10:29 PM

Thanks George saves me the trouble of posting further photos
Richard

kkanuck

02-26-2007, 01:55 AM

Altered Sprinter

02-26-2007, 02:23 AM

Keep us posted George....thanks much for looking into it.

Do you know if the old style on the right, smaller picture, if I have that style, with fog light feature, if I try to upgrade to the newer style, picture on right, big picture, would it just plug and play? What I mean is the holes on the back where the bulbs screw in, is all that all the same?

What are these guards that Richard has? Is there a picture of that on an older post?

Cheers,

Tibor

Gee Give a guy a break:D One thread at a time.
I went to the yard of secondhand no one wants anymore Sprinters and had a real good look at the old 98 Sprinters with the non clear glass diffuser and the next model lights with diffuser in the glass or Poly Carbonate Plastic lenses.
Ok interesting points the latter is plug and go providing you have the two way switch which integrates with the head light stalk, that's final it plugs in.
Varying colors are due to age UV lighting and a sandblasted effect depending on mileage etc.
I made a comment that these lights appeared to have a milky off white appearance from inside of the lights, "thinking because the light itself is plastic, I thought the fog-light may have burnt or changed the inside appearance?"
It wasn't until I came back home , the penny dropped as to my back number plate frame developing a similar look???? What the off white semi opaque look is not from the fog-lamp but carbon build up from the diesel engine, it's a very light Grey film surrounding the entire chrome frame inside of the unit that gives off the dull or tired look the fumes from diesel can penetrate from both light sockets and the little rubber vent tube along side of the light to let out condensation build up, in a nut sheel it's pollution, YUK.
I will run up the light frame for the headlights latter on today and show the photos part numbers etc.if you can be patient my curious friends:bounce:
And just to set the thread into tremble again for another thread, feast your eyes on this and drawl:drool:
PS it's awfully quiet today with the threads!"any comments":crazy:
Richard
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1205

1206

kkanuck

02-26-2007, 02:30 AM

kkanuck

02-26-2007, 02:37 AM

Sorry about the machine gun threading.......I just got back from NYC after a 3 day party with old friends, and have been out of the loop for the duration......

I miss it when away.......

Altered Sprinter

02-26-2007, 02:39 AM

Do you know what the part number is for the chrome Mercedes logo above your plate?

This is the first I have seen tis raised chrome lettering. We also do not have the black either, just paint to match the rest of the vehicle. All I have seen so far is the stickers with the benz logo....
Chaooz is the one most interested in this one, and yes I have the numbers too It's a first this has never been done on a sprinter before ever, there are two types one with a Grey back ground with raised Chrome lettering the latter with a charcoal back ground is from the 2006 model, when you stop and think about it door handles and mirrors at the higher level are the same color the Grey one looks out of place which is the reason to the latter color of choice, now they are not that simple to fit, and it's another thread for latter in the new week to come as to explaining how it fits , which is extensive. this will include step by step installation.
Richard

kkanuck

02-26-2007, 02:44 AM

How expensive is that peice in black?

Would the 2006 fit on my 2004? Is 2006 not the new body style?

Cheers richard,

Tibor

Altered Sprinter

02-26-2007, 03:04 AM

How expensive is that peice in black?

Would the 2006 fit on my 2004? Is 2006 not the new body style?

Cheers richard,

Tibor
Tibor I'll bet your the only child in your family :lol:or the most inquisitive of them all:thumbup:
It fits all Mercedes/Dodge Sprinters from 1996 till the end of the model run
I promise I would not tell a big fib
You also must remember we had the new Sprinter twelve months prior to you getting your new Sprinter, however it's not from a Sprinter, OK it is a Mercedes unit though don't you worry none to much about that, it's genuine 100% Mercedes.
Richard

kkanuck

02-26-2007, 03:11 AM

Richard,

Yes, I have always been known to ask a lot of questions, you are on the money........:yell:

Had a Tasmanian waiter over the weekend, dont meet many in my travels.., so small world....as they say.

Cheers for all the info.

Tibor

Altered Sprinter

02-26-2007, 03:20 AM

Good one Tibor
Meeting a Tasmanian waiter! What was he offering Devil food?Hope you didn't tip him we'd regard this as an insult:smirk:
Richard

Altered Sprinter

02-26-2007, 04:13 AM

Mercedes Sprinter clear lens protectors
Hi grade carbon plastics
Non swirl marking
easy to maintain

Australian Numbers MB B64823130
Headlamp covers , sprinter paired 2x2
Cost US $97.00 priority airmailed insured
weight one kilo
Have not a clue as to euro pricing so that's an alternative option
Point of interest, I've not seen these in Europe
Lights show non fog-lamp but with clear lens fitted
Made by Hella not made in Germany? Bosh, also makes these for Mercedes.
My units are almost two years old this May,maintained using Meguiars Plastx clear plastic cleaner and polish
and Meguiars mirror glaze no 17 cleaner.
No damage no swirling or fading of units, as new , recommended.:thumbup:
Richard
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1208

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sikwan

02-26-2007, 04:28 AM

Those headlight pictures looks so purty that I just want to cry...:cry:

:smilewink:

Altered Sprinter

02-26-2007, 04:34 AM

Those headlights look so purdy.

Why?
Richardhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_31_8.gif

sikwan

02-26-2007, 04:40 AM

Those headlights look so purdy.

Why?
Richardhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_31_8.gif

Because, they're the clear lens type and not the faceted ones that American Sprinters have.

Seek

Altered Sprinter

02-26-2007, 05:12 AM

Hum! That explains half price Sprinters. left over bin parts from the 2000 series, old engine bits and pieces and all the autos, no else wanted
That really sucks:smilewink:
Just joking, but would you pay 56 grand for a cargo van with the no fault issues? Money speaks in dollar terms, you get what you pay for at the end of the day.
How about a photo! so I can see the light from your end, I thought you had these latter lights but the fog-lamp was your concern .
If I had realized what you meant I'd have photographed all of the lights from 95 onwards.http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_14_13.gif
Sorry .
Richard
PS After thought: Question! What is the lettering on the bottom of your headlights say
Left hand corner Made in Germany or ???
Need to know on a need to know basis.

chaozz

02-26-2007, 06:08 AM

Gee Give a guy a break:D One thread at a time.
I went to the yard of secondhand no one wants anymore Sprinters and had a real good look at the old 98 Sprinters with the non clear glass diffuser and the next model lights with diffuser in the glass or Poly Carbonate Plastic lenses.
Ok interesting points the latter is plug and go providing you have the two way switch which integrates with the head light stalk, that's final it plugs in.
Varying colors are due to age UV lighting and a sandblasted effect depending on mileage etc.
I made a comment that these lights appeared to have a milky off white appearance from inside of the lights, "thinking because the light itself is plastic, I thought the fog-light may have burnt or changed the inside appearance?"
It wasn't until I came back home , the penny dropped as to my back number plate frame developing a similar look???? What the off white semi opaque look is not from the fog-lamp but carbon build up from the diesel engine, it's a very light Grey film surrounding the entire chrome frame inside of the unit that gives off the dull or tired look the fumes from diesel can penetrate from both light sockets and the little rubber vent tube along side of the light to let out condensation build up, in a nut sheel it's pollution, YUK.
I will run up the light frame for the headlights latter on today and show the photos part numbers etc.if you can be patient my curious friends:bounce:
And just to set the thread into tremble again for another thread, feast your eyes on this and drawl:drool:
PS it's awfully quiet today with the threads!"any comments":crazy:
Richard
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1205

1206

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

Altered Sprinter

02-26-2007, 06:46 AM

Har' Chaozz
Is interested, in the other end of the Sprinter's life Aussie Style
Photo of number on front light can you identify what's on yours
ET needs to know
Richard
1210

1211

sikwan

02-27-2007, 04:10 PM

PS George has the right number for the same switch, including the Dodge number of 5120 484 AA

Picture and schematic diagram of the switch.
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Found the reference from this thread...

http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=618

Seek

sikwan

02-27-2007, 04:29 PM

Har' Chaozz
Is interested, in the other end of the Sprinter's life Aussie Style
Photo of number on front light can you identify what's on yours
ET needs to know

1255
Driver's side headlight.

Driver's side headlight info.
1256
DOT H1 VOL
SAE HR F 01
HELLA SSB 444 TN 94
247 265-00
MADE IN CZECH REPUBLIC

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Passenger side headlight.

Passenger side headlight info.
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DOT H1 VOL
SAE HR F 01
SSB 445 TN 94 HELLA
247 266-00
MADE IN CZECH REPUBLIC

Sorry for the unclear picture.

Seek

kkanuck

02-27-2007, 04:37 PM

Has Anyone performed this upgrade that has the factory fog lights with only the one function of front fog switching only, and replace it with this dual rocker switch, part number 5120 484 AA and made the rear fog light functional? If so, was it just simply remove the old switch and replace with the new?

I could probably then reuse the old switch to be aq new cargo light switch to control the rear lights from the drivers cockpit?

Altered Sprinter

02-27-2007, 09:13 PM

I've never seen a single fog lamp switch,So maybe it would work?
Seek
Thanks,OK these are made in different countries "The Hella lamp you have has DOT markings!"
Australian and German also slightly different in the numbers depending on model year.
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/3/3_12_14.gifSerious, we need a volunteer to show a schematic of the American lighting patten, for Driver side reflection to on coming Driver, I also need a accurate description of the Sprinter lights patten with hi and lo-beam deflection, I'll run a photo patten to night showing the Sprinter patten for lighting in Australia as these lights are different to older lighting configurations that show a definite shift to the left side of the Australian driver, where the Sprinter light does not, thinking the lighting switch on the panel for adjustment with loadings is the beam selector.
Interesting point The Mercedes Sprinter lights are manufactures under license to Hella for Mercedes Benz. Hella will not sell these lights to any one but Mercedes, Which has a warning bell going up as to price fixing of these units, I'm checking this out with 'ASIC' the Australian watch dog for industry regulations where price fixing between States is illegal in Australia,
As there are no labels on the lights that state Made under license to Mercedes-Benz or DC or on the box that the lights come in, This is a breach of trading requirements in Australia Both Hella and DC could end up in court over this if the have not taken out a design copy right for protection of these lights to be sold on an exclusive basis via the Benz out lets.
Don't even ask the price even the sales reps are scratching their nuts over the price, my smart remark was now you might understand Why you haven't sold a single Sprinter in four months apart from the deal with a courier company to push start the sales on the New Generation Sprinters.
Thread will make the one thousand postings:thumbup:
Richard

sikwan

02-27-2007, 10:21 PM

Here's what I notice on the refractive (faceted) type lenses of headlights. This is the same for motorcycles and other types of early model vehicles.

If you notice where the red arrow (blue area) is.
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It points to a section where it's faceted (blue area). It resides on the driver's side of the headlight and refracts the lo-beam to the passenger side of the road.

Same thing for the passenger side headlight where the red arrow (blue area) is.
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The passenger facets do not mirror the driver facets, but are positioned the same; resides driver's side & refracts to passenger side road.

The newer lights, Richard's lights, are faceted on the mirror and the lens are clear. If the faceted mirror is uniform like this,
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then we shouldn't have a problem, hopefully.

If you look at some of the UK headlights, that faceted area that the red arrow is pointing to is mirrored to what I have for both headlights.

I'll try to find a white wall and snap a picture of the refraction.

Seek

Altered Sprinter

02-28-2007, 08:27 AM

Thanks seek
This is what I was thinking I just looked at the lights to late to get photo up they have a omni directional pattern to the side of the road left to right on lo-beam with main beam the deflector inside of the clear glass is more to the bottom , if you look at the lights from the outside and some else has the manual auto adjustment switch activated it lowers up and down to suit the direction of the forward beam either towards the front of the vehicle, then the side light pattern sends a wider arc increase the hight the beam extends further to wards the distance required and the side lighting starts to diffuse, its not as bright, Its not showing into the oncoming drivers eyes , but you can trick it too so the level adjuster is there to set the required lighting pattern , I'll get a snap of an Aussie one and compare them, I don't think there is any difference.
Richard:clapping:

sikwan

02-28-2007, 06:23 PM

Har' Chaozz
Is interested, in the other end of the Sprinter's life Aussie Style
Photo of number on front light can you identify what's on yours
ET needs to know
Richard

http://www.sprinter-source.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1211

According to this website...

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/lights/codes/codes.html

...those arrows in the picture tell you where the beams will dip. I found information from a UK website saying the same, but I can't find the website now.

→ Low beam is suitable only for use in Left Hand Traffic (e.g., Britain, Australia, Africa, Japan)
[NO ARROW] Low beam is suitable only for use in Right Hand Traffic (US, Canada, Continental Europe, Scandinavia, Russia, etc.)
↔ Low beam is adaptable for use on either side of the road (many projector lamps and older reflector high/low lamps)I looked at the headlamp that I bought for my motorcycle from New Zealand and guess what. It has the double-arrows which means it's good for use on either side of the road.

Learn something new every day. :thumbup:

Seek

Altered Sprinter

02-28-2007, 09:22 PM

Hi Seek
OK I 'm see the lighthttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_12_13.gif so help me out as it's pouring cats and dogs to wet. to snap a rain drop.
My lights on the drivers side has the arrow to the right side of the road on the opposite side passenger side the arrow goes to the left side of the road! Join to the two arrows it looks like this ,<----- ^ -----> its still off set not in a direct line to the road.
Richard

sikwan

02-28-2007, 09:45 PM

My lights on the drivers side has the arrow to the right side of the road on the opposite side passenger side the arrow goes to the left side of the road! Join to the two arrows it looks like this ,<----- ^ -----> its still off set not in a direct line to the road.

If I'm reading your Australian English right...then I have no idea. :lol:

I had to read your statement at least 6 times before I realized (with a "Z") you drove on the other side of the road; right/left, left/right...:thinking: :smilewink:

Of course, I already knew you drove on the wrong side of the road. :smirk:

:idunno:

Seek

Altered Sprinter

03-01-2007, 03:56 AM

If I'm reading your Australian English right...then I have no idea. :lol:
---------------^:crazy:

I had to read your statement at least 6 times before I realized (with a "Z") you drove on the other side of the road; right/left, left/right...:thinking: :smilewink:

Of course, I already knew you drove on the wrong side of the road. :smirk:

Correction if we drive on the right side of the road then we must be right! Right:tongue:

:idunno:

Seek
First photo is the correct position for the fog-lamp either with a single rear fog lamp only or the fog lamp and rear fog lamp switch combined, and yes it's on the passenger side of the vehicle just to keep you LHD drivers.happy
Second photo drivers side lamp arrows marked in septate set of sequences,
{viewing arrows looking towards vehicle}

Left hand side <----- <-----> Right hand side --->--->--->
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Left hand side looking into the front of the van
one arrow left, one arrow left, last arrow to the right

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Last photo is Right hand side of van looking into the front
All arrows point to the side away from the van.

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sikwan

03-01-2007, 05:22 AM

Excellent pictures Richard! :thumbup:

According to this again...

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/lights/codes/codes.html

→ Low beam is suitable only for use in Left Hand Traffic (e.g., Britain, Australia, Africa, Japan)
[NO ARROW] Low beam is suitable only for use in Right Hand Traffic (US, Canada, Continental Europe, Scandinavia, Russia, etc.)
↔ Low beam is adaptable for use on either side of the road (many projector lamps and older reflector high/low lamps)The traffic-handedness marking applies only to low-beam headlamps. Arrows are also used on all ECE/EEC signalling devices, such as parking lamps, brake lamps, Daytime Running lamps, turn signals, etc., to indicate which side of the vehicle they're intended to fit. ...which means we're only concerned with the arrow underneath the designation "HC" which are for low-beams.

Australian right headlight (Driver's side headlight)

http://www.sprinter-source.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1271

The arrow underneath the HC points (dips) to the left side of the road.

Australian left headlight (Passenger side headlight)

http://www.sprinter-source.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1272
The arrow underneath the HC points (dips) to the left side of the road.

For the US, we need a missing arrow or double arrow (↔) underneath the HC.

Thanks again Richard! Awesome stuff. :clapping:

Seek

Altered Sprinter

03-01-2007, 07:00 AM

That confirms the differences , OK now getting them from Europe is going to be the test ,with out the right configurations! "Potentially you can end up with the wrong ones" which would be illegal and dangerous, on the US roads.
Sourcing these from eBay would be difficult as one would have to pm the seller to get the information as to which one is right as both Right hand and Left hand are all over the place, you need a dealer.Has any one asked the Dodge supplier for a price?
Richard http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_11_27.gif

sikwan

03-01-2007, 01:32 PM

Richard http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_11_27.gif

Thanks for the hard work Richard! :clapping: :thumbup:

Seek

Altered Sprinter

03-16-2007, 10:34 AM

Found the lights in the UK for $136 US each plus freight Checking codes
Fingers crossedhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_29_107v.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_22_2.gif
Altered Says! 'never say never, ever'.
I love springtime in Paris http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/26/26_12_1.gif
Who's buying
Richard

kkanuck

03-16-2007, 12:42 PM

Great News Richard.

Do these newer style lights use the same bulbs as the old?

So all that needs replacing is the light itself?

Cheers Again for all your hard work Richard,

Tibor

sikwan

03-16-2007, 01:17 PM

Who's buying
Richard

I'm in. :D

Seek

Altered Sprinter

03-16-2007, 09:17 PM

Wouldn't have a clue with the bulbs looking at the local ambulances that have these , the pattern of lighting arrangements look different did not have my camera so no photo, all you need is the switch I can get them at a pinch if your crazy enough to pay Mercedes prices.
I'm waiting on an email, either they are interested! or they are not? Ok
Just haven't given up on the lights, I won't be happy until I see a closure on this issue.
Richard:thumbup:

Therberg

03-17-2007, 01:20 AM

Count me in on a pair as well, they will finish the Mercedes Grill install, I did not want to cut the grill to fit the Freightliner headlights with the rounded off corner.:clapping:

Tim H.

Altered Sprinter

03-17-2007, 02:54 AM

Count me in on a pair as well, they will finish the Mercedes Grill install, I did not want to cut the grill to fit the Freightliner headlights with the rounded off corner.:clapping:

Tim H.
Tim did you fit the Merc grille in leaving the outer dodge surround?
Richard

Therberg

03-17-2007, 03:58 AM

Hi Richard, I am not sure what you mean by the dodge surround?

There are " L shaped " painted metal surrounds on the Freightliner vs a straight piece under the headlight on the Dodge.
When installing the Mercedes grille on the Freightliner you have to cut the grille to fit in between the " L shaped" surrounds ,in witch case you lose one of he mounting holes for the 316 emblem.
Another option is to get the straight metal piece that goes under the headlight on the dodge and use that, but you end up with a indented corner of the lense is rounded off. I hope that made sense.

As I am sitting here F1 qualifing has started in Aussie Land!!!!:cheers:

Tim H.
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http://i15.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/89/a9/4d4c_1.JPG

Altered Sprinter

03-17-2007, 06:18 AM

For some strange reason unknown to even myself I thought you'd done some custom work:idunno:
Cause I loves ma' Chrome:thumbup:
Richard
Dam F1 Ah'rrr night time racing to'00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/18_3_102.gifRichard

Therberg

03-17-2007, 08:01 AM

I did think of trying this bit of custom work,
done by the good Doktor himself,
a nice Freighliner/Mercedes combo grille.

http://f9g.yahoofs.com/groups/g_6211213/c487/__tn_/b4f0.jpg?grYA6CGBbjnxQyoP

Tim H.

auburnbuilder

04-11-2007, 09:37 PM

I have been following your discussion on the european headlights and rear fog lights. If you have a source that is correct for the North American version sprinter for either of these two I would be interested in purchasing. Thanks!

kkanuck

04-11-2007, 11:17 PM

Not sure if we ever finally got all interested arties together on this, I believe we may have at leat 6 interested folks.

Richard i believe found a UK source. If I am given that contact info, I can contact and try to get a 6-12 pair price and potentially have it shipped to me here in Atlanta, I can then forward it to all purchasers. I would even pay the lot, and folks can send me a check, or paypal.

Richard, can you identify the source in the UK?

Who else is still interested?????

Cheers,

Tibor

sikwan

04-11-2007, 11:36 PM

Who else is still interested?????

I'm still interested. :thumbup:

Make very sure, Tibor, that these lights are the right ones or the ones that are for Sprinters driven on the right side of the road. Don't want you to take such a huge risk on lights that are for the wrong side.

Another way is to have the seller accept payment from individuals rather than just from yourself. Of course, you will have to get a (private?) list drawn and hopefully everyone pays in a timely manner to get the group price.

Seek

Altered Sprinter

04-12-2007, 12:58 AM

Hi Boys
The UK source never replied to my request after I sent the arrow direction of the lights for both US and Our side
so it went nowhere man, just another brick in the wall:idunno:
Tibor, Seek is right! you need 100% verification as to what your getting before you buy from the UK and Germany very shifty lot over there:shifty: PayPal can be a right pain in the rear end to deal with, if the sale goes wrong, especially when your not in it, to make a buck out of it,
Richard

kkanuck

07-15-2007, 03:47 PM

Here is a guy in Poland selling them on ebay, any Polish speaking folks here that can verify with the seller if the item is rated for US roads?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ORYGINALNY-REFLEKTOR-LAMPA-LEWY-MERCEDES-SPRINTER_W0QQitemZ110147617839QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3 3710QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Cheers,

Tibor

guisar

11-03-2007, 02:07 AM

Altered Sprinter

11-03-2007, 03:35 AM

This ever work out? I notice plenty of new ones for sale on Ebay in Germany. Figure they are a better "investment" than a Mercedes Grill :) However, I wonder how much better than the DOT lights they are.

As an aside, I do really miss the days you could just pop in a pair of Cibie or Hella H4s and go WOW!
Nope the light bulb burnt out:rolleyes:
Technolagy moves forward, but leaves most folk out of the loop! of doing what we all did ,when life was so much more simpler. and electrical problems were caused by earth outs.

Who=ever is the last to leave. please turn out the lights.

Richard http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_3_3.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNfox000)

http://www.smileycentral.com/sig.jsp?pc=ZSzeb095&pp=ZNfox000 (http://smiley.smileycentral.com/download/index.jhtml?partner=ZSzeb095_ZNfox000&utm_id=7923)

SprinterUSA1

11-03-2007, 10:52 AM

kkanuck

11-03-2007, 08:05 PM

I had mine swapped and then put some blue Halogen H7s in them. Light was better than with diffuser lens. Just plug and play procedure. Sold mine to Kanuck. Ask him.

SprinterUSA1

Yes, I indeed have them, and got them from SprinterUSA1.

Unfortunately I have not installed them yet, but will be doing so very soon. I have another project at the same time, I will be wiring my Espar unit to turn on with engine off, and hook it up to the factory timer so it can come on via a timer in place of a block heater for winter time. Wires have to be run, and headlight has to be removed at same time, so that is why I have not installed.......

But they are available, and SprinterUSA1 can guide you to the correct type for North American standards......