Data Card Info Interpretation

[Aqua Puttana]

Thanks to Jon, Jill, et al. I now have a copy of my NAFTA 2004 2500 Data Card. It contains the information of items included when it was built.

The thread is here:
Help with requests to harvest NAFTA datacards for EPC.startekinfo.com
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12923

In looking at my data information I came up with some code explanations which were not included on my card.

Vic's
BB3 No code designation available


TestDataCard
BB3 ELECTRONIC STABILITY PROGRAM (ESP)

Vic's
G40 No code designation available

TestDataCard
G40 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION

Vic's

R87 No code designation available

TestDataCard
R87 SPARE WHEEL

Vic's (2004 = XY4?)
XY4 No code designation available

TestDataCard
XY9 MODEL YEAR 9

I learned that "WM0 TELMA-RETARDER CC80" listed on your data card doesn't mean you have a Telma-Retarder.

My card shows no specific alternator amperage. Some other cards I've seen show "M39 ALTERNATOR 14 V / 150 A" and "M49 ALTERNATOR 14 V / 180 A". I ass-u-me that to mean my 2004 came with a 120 90 amp verified (edit: or some other size per Photoadjuster) amp "standard" alternator so they don't specify?

Feel free to add what you know to this thread. Perhaps there is a code list for data cards which didn't show up when I searched from the blue bar. vic

[photoadjuster]

The data card on mine shows:

M35 ALTERNATOR 14/ V 115 A

[sailquik]

Hi AP:
"I learned that "WM0 TELMA-RETARDER CC80" listed on your data card doesn't mean you have a Telma-Retarder."

Think I read somewhere that the Telma-Retarder drive shaft braking system only comes with certain transmissions
in Europe (maybe Down Under as well).
One wonders why this option seems to appear on nearly every NAFTA Sprinter's data card, but it was never available
here in the USA as we only get the NAG-1 5 speed (5th 0.83:1 OD) automatic with Sprint Shift?
My '06 Dodge badged 3500 data card suggests I also have the Telma-Retarder.
Funny, I'm right near 100K miles on the original brake pads and rotors, but I see others have worn them out in
< 35K miles. Made me think I might actually have a Telma-Retarder, until I found out how big the unit is.
I do have the reactive rear braking system that changes the front/rear brake bias as load goes in/on the back
of the van. Part of the ASR system really.
Roger

[Altered Sprinter]

this relates back to Jon's current thread.
EPC Daimler On V Doc clearly shows designated data information to a specific build sheet that is unique to the model variant 903 904/906/

Where Codes show a prefix =no codes available, [423/926...no code designation available];this is because it's unique, to a particular country.outside of the EU.

Therefor a code that has no reference is outside of the normal production code alpha-numeric numbering system. Bu this requires a manual search on the WIS data sheets that relate to a group of possible combination's to suite a specific model variant.

All Vin Documents have a specific alpha numeric code from A to Z to identify a code as it is set to a standard enigma codex.
Each Numeric number has a code definition such as x 004 070 2908 this referees to the both Alphanumeric codex as to The Alpha enigma codes .SAAA /SAA 3500 /5000

Telma Retarders are pre wired prepped only.:reefer to the body builders portal as to Daimler AG partners.

Up-Lifters is an American wording not used by Mercedes Benz or its partners.
Research reveals the links, under Alliances/ not uplifters.

Alternators example: M46 14V/220 A ALTERNATOR Variant's have pre groupings of combination's
Example:E30 Master battery switch...[One Pin]...ED5 Parametrization Special module...This is a multiple relay acc/point for awaking the can bus. or can be done manually via a pulse.
EK1 Terminal Strip for connection to drivers seat cushion....EE8 12 v battery 100 Ah ...ES0 Jumps start Contact...
26635
Groupings lead to aux combination's as to matching battery AGM and Deep cycle mains start battery., which in turn lead to additional secondary alternators for PTO, on-board compressors for refrigeration units etc.
26633
G40 is a standard automatic 5 speed transmission.
26632
Do not confuse this with the G40X 7 speed triponic transmissions as there are two of one being a sports variant the latter for commercial units where H/D components are installed including revised value bodies these use a Higher sequencing ATF Fluid. not compatible to a NAG 1 as to viscosity.at varying temperatures.
All codes can be traced specifically to a variant code option.such a C38 for a 3500 KG variant converted to a 3.8 GVM..Two dual parabolic spring options are available.They look the same but have varying tapers along the parabolic spring each of the two options offer a different comfort ride.
26634
Vin details are a descriptive guide
The key is to understanding what each code depicts as to a specific use of one thousand possible combination's, each are grouped.
All of this is already on the forums board.
in Jpeg format and PDF
But this comes back to Jon's first remark: Cost; rudeness from members, time is money and it should not be expected to be provided for free.time and time and time again:bash: Information is supplied by members who care to commit to support a collective group/but there are limits to repetitive threads where little acknowledgment, is given to the author.after all it's, already in archives. Use your search features.
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Richard

[Aqua Puttana]

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My card shows no specific alternator amperage. Some other cards I've seen show "M39 ALTERNATOR 14 V / 150 A" and "M49 ALTERNATOR 14 V / 180 A". I ass-u-me that to mean my 2004 came with a 120 (edit: or some other size per Photoadjuster) amp "standard" alternator so they don't specify?

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I ass-u-me'd wrong. I recently changed out my alternator and found that the OEM unit was 90 amp. I replaced it with a 150 amp alternator. Bolted right in. It was physically a little bigger in size so a bit tighter to work up into place though. vic.

[Altered Sprinter]

I ass-u-me'd wrong. I recently changed out my alternator and found that the OEM unit was 90 amp. I replaced it with a 150 amp alternator. Bolted right in. It was physically a little bigger in size so a bit tighter to work up into place though. vic. Is your battery rated to match a 150Amp alt there should be data on the OEM battery labeling.
Richard

[Aqua Puttana]

No data label. The OEM battery is gone. Thanks. vic

Is your battery rated to match a 150Amp alt there should be data on the OEM battery labeling.
Richard

[Altered Sprinter]

OK that solves that one.:smilewink:
Thanks Richard

[autostaretx]

Is your battery rated to match a 150Amp alt there should be data on the OEM battery labeling.
I have to admit that i've never (conciously) seen an *alternator* rating on a battery.
I would assume that a typical 100AH battery (or 100 RC, in the "new speak") would be happy with it.

Although there's a two-to-one range in the 90 to 200 amp range of alternator options, i'v always assumed it just means it'll charge quicker.
It's the voltage regulator's job to limit the charging current when the battery approaches "full".
Can you cite a site i can go read up on "too much alternator"? (batteryfaq didn't seem to discuss that subject)

--dick (off to look at (for example) Varta's site...)
Well, Varta's site has no (obvious) information concerning "appropriate" alternator sizing for their batteries.
But these three sites:
http://www.vonwentzel.net/Battery/02.Size/index.html
http://www.zena.net/htdocs/alternators/alt_inf2.shtml
http://www.pyacht.com/balmar-alternator-guide.pdf
approach it from the alternator side... they plump for an alternator capable of at least providing 25% of the battery bank's AH rating as amps (so a 100AH battery only "needs" 25 Amps). But the PDF file states (on the "batteries and resistance" page) that a "small" battery will only "accept" about 30 to 40 amps. If you're running a 200 Amp alternator, it will simply not be called upon to deliver its full rated current, so it'll run cooler.
The way i'd be tempted to estimate what it would "accept" is to say that the battery's internal resistance is limiting the maximum current into the battery. The battery's resistance (if not specified by the manufacturer) can be inferred from the CCA rating. High CCA means low resistance.
The Sprinter's normal "SLI" (Start, Lights, Ignition) use of the battery means that it shouldn't drop too much during such usage.

[Aqua Puttana]

I have to admit that i've never (conciously) seen an *alternator* rating on a battery.
I would assume that a typical 100AH battery (or 100 RC, in the "new speak") would be happy with it.
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use of the battery means that it shouldn't drop too much during such usage.
Your assessment sounds reasonable to me. I'm not at all concerned with upping my alternator from 90 to 150 amps, for whatever that may be worth. vic