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Don Horner
04-26-2007, 05:14 AM
When we travel in the Sprinter RV, we try to find wireless internet sites so we can keep up to date with email, banking, etc. Many RV parks have wi-fi available, but often they are poorly installed and don't have good signals in the park. Other times, we may be parked near facilities with unsecured access and can log on. These sites have varied from McDonalds with wi-fi, several county courthouses, nearby motels such as Comfort Inns and others with hi-speed wi-fi, and even private businesses which haven't bothered to set up secure access. There are also many homeowners and businesses who deliberately share access.

I also have some property in Okeechobee, FL where I am planning to build a house. My daughter lives next door and if I park in the right spot, I can share her wireless DSL service.

The problem is, I'm depending on the built-in antennas on my and my wife's laptops, which are not really effective if the signal is weak, or we can't park in the right spot

After a considerable amount of research, most of which gave me a headache because I have white hair and I really don't understand this stuff, I came to the conclusion that I needed an external antenna, a piece of equipment known variously as a "bridge" or "CPE" (customer premises equipment), and a wireless router inside the RV so both my wife and I, and anyone near us, can also surf the web.

I consulted with an outfit at wirelessnetworkproducts.com and ended up ordering a Tranzeo HD24123, which is an AP/CPE/Bridge (depending on how it's configured) with an 802.11b/g radio operating at 19 dBm (whatever that is) and with 90 miliwatts of power (90 something, I'm not sure of the units). The key is that it's a lot more powerful than the typical bridge offered by, say, Linksys (WET54g) at not much more money -- $159 versus $89 for the Linksys. Tranzeo makes more powerful radios, but they are more expensive, and this seemed like the best bang for the buck. Best of all, this unit uses the same n-connector as the antenna, eliminating the need for a $20 to $25 pigtail to adapt the antenna.

I also ordered a 7 dBi (?) mobile omni antenna on a magnetic base with 12' of cable. The antenna was $60 and the magnetic base was $60. I probably could have found them cheaper, but this outfit spent a total of about an hour and a half on the phone with me, plus a couple of hours of research and consultation among themselves, before we settled on a solution -- their services are worth their price.

Their best guess is that I should be able to pick up and transmit to access points between 1/4 and 1/2 mile from the van, perhaps more in ideal conditions.

These items should be here on Friday, and I'll get them mounted over the weekend. The real problem will likely be configuration, I'll give it the old man's college try, but I'll probably end up on the phone with wirelessnetworkproducts again on Monday -- they offered their help.

The CPE radio will communicate via the exterior antenna to the remote access point, and will then pass the signal on to a wireless router via a CAT 5 patch cord. Our laptops will communicate with the router. I already have a spare D-Link 802.11b wireless router -- I replaced it with 802.11g equipment. The 11b specification is fine for the RV, because all we'll use it for is internet -- which at the fastest is usually no more than 6 megabits, and is usually 1.5 or lower, well within the 11 megabits of the 11b unit.

The D-Link will let us use our laptops with a couple of hundred feet of the RV, great for sitting at a picnic table, for example. Also, any other RVs withing a couple of hundred feet will be able to hook up through our access point if they are suffering from the same poor connections as we have in the past.


I mounted the D-Link on the cabinet wall where the TV is mounted, and ran the power cord up through the same hole in the cabinet as the TV power cord, to an inverter. The factory mounted a 400W inverter in that cabinet to run the TV, and I've been running the satellite receiver from the same inverter, but it's right on the edge of the power. I had a 700W inverter hanging around (picked it up cheap on Ebay), so I mounted it to handle the TV and satellite receiver, and will use the 400W inverter for the D-Link and the Tranzeo. When the Tranzeo unit arrives, I'll install it in the same cabinet as the satellite receiver; at 10"x13", it's about the same size. The Tranzeo unit is actually designed to be mounted outside on a pole, but there is no problem with it being inside. The inside unit was a lot more money and needed a pigtail for the antenna -- so would have been about $100 more.

I'll have a little more than $300 invested when I'm done, but it's a one-time expense, and I expect I'll be able to pull up many more internet access points than most people expect. I'm told this is the same type of rig that a hacker might use when driving around neighborhoods looking for networks to hack into. I wouldn't know, I have neither the knowledge or the desire to hack in to anyone. Unsecured internet access is something else; most of the time it's intentional, and even when it occurs because someone was too lazy or unknowledgeable to set up security, it does them no harm -- one more user doesn't slow them down or cost them anything.

My own wireless system at home is deliberately unsecured so anyone can share my dsl service; my computers are firewalled to block anyone but a dedicated hacker, and those guys can break WEP or WPA security if they really want to.

I suspect some of the young whippersnappers on this site will have better solutions for what I did, and my only regret is that I jumped before I mentioned it here. I don't think I'll be sorry.

I'll post some pictures when it's all together.

tegimr
04-26-2007, 05:36 AM
Well, that should be the mac-daddy of wireless connections -you should not have any problems. Probably, though, if you have an external antenna on the computer and a compatible access point, a couple of 9 dbi omni would have worked fine. Of course, if you have problems, you could get really fine reception with 802.11G and two yagi antennas (see http://www.netscum.com/~clapp/wireless.html ) but that is really probably more project than you wanted to get into. :)

Looking forward to your pictures.

tim

Don Horner
04-26-2007, 11:28 AM
Well, that should be the mac-daddy of wireless connections -you should not have any problems. Probably, though, if you have an external antenna on the computer and a compatible access point, a couple of 9 dbi omni would have worked fine. Of course, if you have problems, you could get really fine reception with 802.11G and two yagi antennas (see http://www.netscum.com/~clapp/wireless.html (http://www.netscum.com/%7Eclapp/wireless.html) ) but that is really probably more project than you wanted to get into. :)

Looking forward to your pictures.

tim
No antenna connection on the laptops. I would have had to install new wi-fi cards in the PMCIA slots that permit external antennas and live with the cables from the laptops to the antennas -- this is cleaner and not much more expensive.

They are Acer laptops with internal antennas called "Invilink SignalUp", and they are superior to any previous laptop antennas I've used -- I'm getting a weak signal from my daughter's DSL as I write this, and I'm probably 350 feet from her house, with a metal roof on her house, a garage with a metal roof, a metal shipping container, an aluminum trailer and the Sprinter body between me and the small, internal antenna on the Linksys router in her house. But, that's one of the reasons I'm setting this up -- I spend 3 or 4 days a week out here, and the connection is very hit or miss.

Two Yagis would be great, if only I could persuade every access point to install one on their side. I've heard you can get a good link up to 10 miles with two good Yagis and great line of sight.

tegimr
04-26-2007, 03:06 PM
Well, then an access point with the screw-on antenna, length of cable, and 2 yagi and you'd be in business.

My Dad has done radio stuff since in the Air Force in the early 60's and we work with telemetry now (radio related) and I'm always amazed at how he thinks through things and finds a great solution. Though we do stick with commercial antennas for the customers!

Tim

BMA
05-09-2007, 05:52 AM
Linksys SRX400 card for my laptop. I can usually work up to 1/4 mile away from any access point inside a building. I routinely get 3/4 mile to the access point (also Linksys SRX400 unit) in my farm house which has metal siding and roof. All I need is to be high enough that there is line of sight. That is sometimes difficult as my farm is quite hilly. I'm wondering what range I'll get when I finally move that access point to the corner of the barn.

Another option for portable users is to get a WIFI card that has an antenna connector and to use an external antenna. Look at the equipment that the war drivers use to sniff out open access points use. They will have the best range and flexibility.

Don Horner
05-09-2007, 12:14 PM
A brief update -- I got the equipment and am meeting with mixed success, due partly to my own inexperience, partly to a lack of time, and partly because the equipment is not meeting my expectations.

I have the antenna mounted on the roof near the back, with the cable temporarily run into the top of the left door. If all this works and I keep it in place, I will route the antenna cable through the overhead cabinets using the same path I created for my satellite dish cable.

I mounted the Tranzeo radio in the same overhead cabinet where I have the satellite receiver. I mounted the D-Link wireless router on the side of the same wall where the TV is mounted.

I powered the D-Link and the 802.11b/g radio from an inverter so I can use it regardless of whether we're hooked to shore power.

Then I started configuring it. The radio can either be an access point or a wireless station, also known as Customer Premises Equipment (CPE) or sometimes called a bridge, although that is not precisely true -- it serves as the receiving end from any access point. Think of it as an immensely more powerful version of the receiver built into a laptop.

Since I know the SSID of the connection at my daughter's place, I can get the CPE to connect to her access point from anywhere on our 7-1/2 acre combined properties, where the furtherest point from her house is about 1,000 feet. Using my laptop, I could only get a reliable connection within 150 feet or so. If I use a direct ethernet cable between the laptop and the CPE, I accomplish my purpose.

BUT, I have not been successful in configuring a wireless network at my end. My plan was to pass the signal from the CPE to the D-Link wireless router, then have any number of people with wireless equipment near the RV be able to hook up. I know this can be done because I've read of others who have done it. My problem is I have not figured out the combination of configuration settings to make it work.

I have successfully connected the laptop wirelessly to the D-Link, then used an ethernet connection between the D-Link and the CPE radio to connect to it. I have logged in to the CPE and can see a list of all the available connections and their SSID's. But, I have not been able to get the CPE to pass the signal from the access point back to the D-Link, so I have not yet connected to the internet through the D-Link, only by direct ethernet cable.

I'm sure it is just a matter of setting some value in the configuration of one or more of the 3 pieces of equipment, but I haven't had the time to fool with it.

I had not heard the term "war driving" before I started on this quest, but that is essentially what I am doing -- looking for networks to make a connection, with the exception that I am looking only for open and public networks like those in an RV park, government buildings, etc. The primary purpose is that I have not gotten a decent connection in most of the RV parks where we've stopped.

AVL_Sprinter
04-05-2008, 07:35 PM
Don Horner.... it has been about a year now and was wondering about this myself and wanted to know how things turned out? Good, Great, Overkill?

Can you give us an update?

Or for anyone else that is using a Mac Computer and travels in a Sprinter needing wireless internet securely?

Thanks in advance!
:popcorn:

bikerjoe
04-05-2008, 11:23 PM
Wow. That sure sounds like a lot of work to just connect to someone else's router. I used to use a D-Link wireless USB unit plugged into a 6-foot USB cable. I'd toss the unit onto the dash, and as I drove around, all of the wireless access points, both secured and unsecured would pop up. The first thing that astonished me was just how MANY places are using unsecured wireless routers! I could use my GPS software (Microsoft Streets & Trips) and place pin points wherever I found access. As I moved about town, I'd just pull over at one of the pins and link up to the Internet!

As a side note, Jack-In-The-Box restaurants are all offering FREE wireless Internet access. You can park outside of the building, but you need to walk in and pull the access key off of their "Jack TV" monitors, or ask the manager for the five-digit code. Then you're in! FREE!

I have taken the next step though, in that I now have broadband net access in my Sprinter via an AT&T Wireless USB unit. It works off of the cellular system somehow. The speed is entirely dependant on how many "bars" I have at the moment, but at five bars, MAN this is fast! It is called a "3G" connection. Presumably 3 Gigabytes, although I am pessimistic about the claim.

Anyway, if you are in any city, or even a fairly large "small town", you'll probably have little trouble finding net access. By opening your "Network Connections" window and clicking on "View Available Networks" you'll see them pop up and fall off as you drive around.

I frequently run a webcam in my Sprinter while I am driving around. I usually broadcast on PalTalk, Yahoo or MSN, but I don't chat while driving. :crazy: After having Internet access in my vehicle, I can't imagine driving around without it!

pgr
04-06-2008, 12:48 PM
Don Horner.... it has been about a year now and was wondering about this myself and wanted to know how things turned out? Good, Great, Overkill?

Can you give us an update?

Or for anyone else that is using a Mac Computer and travels in a Sprinter needing wireless internet securely?

Thanks in advance!
:popcorn:


I keep an old G4 titanium laptop (with no screen) in my closet with a keyboard on the visor and a wireless mouse and a 7" screen on the dash. It works great. The only problem I discovered in April while at a campground that had free wireless was the wireless router wasn't working. If I had an extra long cat 5 cable I could have parked next to the rec hall building and just plugged it in though so now I'm going to carry a 100' cat 5 cable with me for emergencies.

pgr

jdcaples
04-06-2008, 03:55 PM
It is called a "3G" connection. Presumably 3 Gigabytes, although I am pessimistic about the claim.


I frequently run a webcam in my Sprinter while I am driving around. I usually broadcast on PalTalk, Yahoo or MSN, but I don't chat while driving. :crazy: After having Internet access in my vehicle, I can't imagine driving around without it!


That's really cool, bikerjoe.

btw, the "G" stands for "Generation," and it has a theoretical limit of 2.4 megabits per second, if I recall correctly..... almost no one gets that outside of a lab environment, but it's a lot better than the older standards.

I think, at full strength you're probably getting in the neighborhood of 144 kilobits per second.

-Jon

bikerjoe
04-06-2008, 05:05 PM
That's really cool, bikerjoe.

btw, the "G" stands for "Generation," and it has a theoretical limit of 2.4 megabits per second, if I recall correctly..... almost no one gets that outside of a lab environment, but it's a lot better than the older standards. I think, at full strength you're probably getting in the neighborhood of 144 kilobits per second. -Jon

Oh, sure! Burst my bubble! :cry:

Actually, I don't know what the speed is, but I do know that I can download a large file or program at about 3 seconds per megabyte, but that speed occurs only when I have five bars showing.

I haven't figured out how to send a live cam feed directly to my website. I was going to put up the "Live Bike Tow Web Cam" on my home page, so completely bored people with no lives could sit and watch me dodge uninsured drivers!

Nate
04-06-2008, 05:18 PM
I was going to put up the "Live Bike Tow Web Cam" on my home page, so completely bored people with no lives could sit and watch me dodge uninsured drivers!

Ooohh, Now that sounds like fun.

And just because I may watch doesn't mean I'm completely bored and have nothing else to do.

It just means I don't feel like doing those other things.

Don Horner
04-07-2008, 10:08 PM
Don Horner.... it has been about a year now and was wondering about this myself and wanted to know how things turned out? Good, Great, Overkill?

Can you give us an update?

Or for anyone else that is using a Mac Computer and travels in a Sprinter needing wireless internet securely?

Thanks in advance!
:popcorn:
I gave up. The programming and settings were way beyond my meager skills. I think it was a good idea and might have worked. I wasted a couple of hundred dollars messing around with this.

Like BikerJoe, the technology caught up with me and and I caught the brass ring. I now have a Sprint Aircard on my laptop computer, and it worked so well, we cut the unbilical cord at home, got rid of our landline and DSL service and installed an Aircard on my wife's laptop. Now, both of us have independent web access almost anywhere and anytime. I have not yet found a location where I could not log on at some speed, all faster than dial up, and almost always seemingly as fast as my DSL.

It isn't cheap -- $60 per month per Aircard for unlimited access -- but we saved $55 per month when we quit the landline phone and DSL. By the way, we cut the cable umbilical several years ago in favor of satellite TV access, and I have a DISH network receiver in the RV for an extra $5 per month on my primary DISH Network account. We use a Sprint shared-minutes cell plan, so when I discontinued my landline, I transferred the landline phone number that we have had for more than 35 years to a $10/month family plancell phone, sharing the same minutes.

In other words, getting the Aircard for my wife and keeping our old phone number in addition to the cell phone numbers we already had is costing about $15 per month, satellite for the RV is an extra $5 per month, and my Aircard is an extra $60 per month. However, it is really neat to be sitting at a picnic table alongside a lake in the mountains and have completely untethered internet access while watching my home local news on DISH network.

sikwan
04-07-2008, 11:49 PM
:hmmm: Interesting...

What are your download and upload speeds?

http://speedtest.net/

I usually get at least the 6000kbps that Comcast totes, but today I've been getting as much as 10,000kbps today. :rad: I'm paying $57 and some cents for broadband and very basic tv. I need another option when we move back and forth to San Francisco and ATT-DSL is the only thing available at a measely 1500kbps for $30. :thumbdown:

Instead of paying $57 and $30, I might just get rid of Comcast, because I don't watch tv, and get the Sprint.

Nate
04-08-2008, 12:12 AM
I By the way, we cut the cable umbilical several years ago in favor of satellite TV access, and I have a DISH network receiver in the RV for an extra $5 per month on my primary DISH Network account.

Don, great set up.

I have been toying with the idea of putting my old Directv receiver in my van to go with the make over I'm giving it.
What do you use for a dish though? And does you satellite provider charge anything extra for a second connection beside for the receiver?

Thanks